Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS TimeKeeper

2012-01-22 Thread David J Taylor
As of 01 January 2012 all three of my systems began to Sync.the year incorrectly. I am using Trimble TimeKeeper ver. 1.02. The year 2020 now appears on my PC's, the time however is correct. I use Windows NT, XP, and Vista. The Date is correct when displayed in TBoltMon. I reinstalled the softwa

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style

2012-01-22 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Luis Cupido > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:24 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style > > Is it possible to program under Windows, still

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Hal Murray
> Ultra-conservative and "overkill" but two of the nine failed. OK it is 30 > years old (made is '83, I think) Use your fingers or similar as a quick-check thermometer. Are working ones hot? warm? If not, power/temperature is not likely to be the problem. My guess is that somebody picked t

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bob wrote: Specifying the digit scan transistor is a bit tricky, and often power dissipation is just not a concern. Why? Consider the duty cycle. A transistor switching one amp (a LOT for 7+1 segments) with a 0.6V saturation dissipates 600mW, but only when on. Given a 1/8 duty cycle that's 75mW

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote: > Specifying the digit scan transistor is a bit tricky, and often power > dissipation is just not a concern. Why? Consider the duty cycle. A transistor > switching one amp (a LOT for 7+1 segments) with a 0.6V saturation dissipates > 600mW,

[time-nuts] FE-5680 ADC vs. supply voltage

2012-01-22 Thread Scott Newell
Here's a graph of the ADC readings as I dropped the power supply voltage from 18V down to 6V on my non-locking FE-5680: http://n5tnl.com/time/fe-5680a/graphs/unit_1_volttest.png I'd hoped that channel 2 would have been a supply voltage, but it isn't, or it's one of the low voltage regulated ra

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Luis Cupido wrote: > Is it possible to program under Windows, still > using the old_style national instruments 'ib...' calls. > when using USB-GPIB interfaces like prologix or others ? > > p.s.(I only have real GPIB 'c' programming experience on MSDOS... I thi

[time-nuts] Datum1000B service info

2012-01-22 Thread Mark Spencer
Just wondering if anyone has any service info for the Datum 1000B. My new to me unit may have a few issues (: (The unit seems to work okay for a day or so then the phase of the output fluctuates slightly with a period of a few hundred seconds or so.) It's only been powered up for less than

[time-nuts] Ocean Optics HR2000 USB Spectrometers... Correction

2012-01-22 Thread J. Forster
I made a typo. the correct email for Roland is: roland.guil...@yahoo.com Hi, In response to several off-list queries, I contacted Roland Guilmet to see if he still had any available. In another development, a Group member has been able to change the wavelength limits of the scan, without openi

Re: [time-nuts] Ocean Optics HR2000 USB Spectrometers

2012-01-22 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Typo on his email... it is roland.guil...@yahoo.com On 1/22/2012 9:40 PM, J. Forster wrote: Hi, In response to several off-list queries, I contacted Roland Guilmet to see if he still had any available. In another development, a Group member has been able to change the wavelength limits of th

[time-nuts] Ocean Optics HR2000 USB Spectrometers

2012-01-22 Thread J. Forster
Hi, In response to several off-list queries, I contacted Roland Guilmet to see if he still had any available. In another development, a Group member has been able to change the wavelength limits of the scan, without opening the unit, so two can be paralleled to cover the visible spectrum. Rolan

[time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style

2012-01-22 Thread Luis Cupido
Is it possible to program under Windows, still using the old_style national instruments 'ib...' calls. when using USB-GPIB interfaces like prologix or others ? many tks. Luis Cupido. ct1dmk. p.s.(I only have real GPIB 'c' programming experience on MSDOS all the rest is using high level stuff li

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi 6K is about right. The resistor was typically a big ceramic wire wound 10K variable. No guarantee it's right for a clock, just that it's right for a teletype. Bob On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Jim Hickstein wrote: > On 2012/01/22 15:29, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> Teletype loop current

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Stake
Chris, Try BC327 / BC328, they are pinout-compatible if you fit them "flipped". On paper they are less powerful but the high gain and low saturation voltage works in your favour. I have used them for anode drivers in seven segment displays. Inexpensive, worth a try! Kind regards Chris > -Ori

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Specifying the digit scan transistor is a bit tricky, and often power dissipation is just not a concern. Why? Consider the duty cycle. A transistor switching one amp (a LOT for 7+1 segments) with a 0.6V saturation dissipates 600mW, but only when on. Given a 1/8 duty cycle that's 75mW average. An

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Jim Hickstein
On 2012/01/22 17:03, Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Jim: On web page: http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC2.shtml#SC I have data from Henry W. that says 120 V (my memory was wrong on the 200 V) and he says 250 ma. This will give about 66 times faster response time than using 3 Volts. Oh, I was reading the du

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Jim: On web page: http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC2.shtml#SC I have data from Henry W. that says 120 V (my memory was wrong on the 200 V) and he says 250 ma. This will give about 66 times faster response time than using 3 Volts. I'm spending time on this because with low loop voltage the action

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Jim Hickstein
On 2012/01/22 15:29, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Teletype loop current as in 20 ma through the coil via a dropping resistor off of 125 vdc. Value for the dropping resistor? (I know, I'm an Extra, and I used to design digital circuits, so I should know this stuff. But I've been in software for a lo

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Albertson
Thanks everyone for all the options. OK there are real MPS-U51 for $5 or $6 each. The NTE parts sells for between $25 and $30. HP places these just on top of each digit with the tap fasting the plastic LED so it can't short. HP also cuts the taps so they can't short to the case. I think they

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Synchronizer coil data at: http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC.shtml#SC <- old 2 coil sync and http://www.prc68.com/I/SWCC2.shtml#SC <- newer single coil sync The WU central office used a 200 VDC supply and the loop drove a number of series connected sync coils. A large ceramic tube variable resis

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS TimeKeeper

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Albertson
If you are keeping a network of PCs in sync to time the software to use is "NTP". http://www.ntp.org/ NTP cansyncto your GPS(s) and to other NTP severs out on the Internet. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Dennis Czelusniak wrote: > As of 01 January 2012 all three of my systems began to Sync.the

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS TimeKeeper

2012-01-22 Thread Paul F. Sehorne
Where does one find Trimble Timekeeper software? and documentation on how to use it? Thanks, Paul On 1/22/2012 3:06 PM, Dennis Czelusniak wrote: As of 01 January 2012 all three of my systems began to Sync.the year incorrectly. I am using Trimble TimeKeeper ver. 1.02. The year 2020 now appea

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Teletype loop current as in 20 ma through the coil via a dropping resistor off of 125 vdc. Bob On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:06 PM, paul swed wrote: > Nice pixs > I would think that the setting winding would be of the old teletype loop > voltage and current and that the local winding battery as

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Jim Hickstein
On 2012/01/22 14:56, Don Latham wrote: NICE! Measure the resistance of the coil, and see what the current would be with the voltage you want to use. Figure out what the current might have been in the original installation. Ebay has an installation manual at auction for these clocks, may have a de

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Stan Searing
A good source of replacement parts for test equipment is Sphere Research ( http://www.sphere.bc.ca/ ). They don't show any in stock, but you could email. NTE is a good source for replacement parts, but the NTE189 is really expensive ($26.73 from Newark and $30.59 from Mouser). For the cost of a co

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread paul swed
Nice pixs I would think that the setting winding would be of the old teletype loop voltage and current and that the local winding battery as mentioned would have been 3-6 VDC. Nice looking clock lucky you to find such an instrument. Regards Paul. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jim Hickstein wro

[time-nuts] Thunderbolt GPS TimeKeeper

2012-01-22 Thread Dennis Czelusniak
As of 01 January 2012 all three of my systems began to Sync.the year  incorrectly. I am using Trimble TimeKeeper ver. 1.02. The year 2020 now appears on my PC's, the time however is correct. I use Windows NT, XP, and Vista. The Date is correct when displayed in TBoltMon. I reinstalled the softw

Re: [time-nuts] mixers for frequency measurement

2012-01-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 01/21/2012 06:13 PM, Ulrich Bangert wrote: Magnus, The end result will be that the instrument limit slope hits the level of the stable source much earlier. Can you elaborate this claim a bit more? I Think I do not understand it in the correct way. You have a 1/f amplitude slope from th

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread David
The package is a TO-202 with the tab cut off or at least the MPS-U51 uses a TO-202 package. Be careful when you replace it because the pinout is EBC which is deprecated in power transistor packages. Ic = 2.0 A Vceo = 30 V Pd = 1 W @ Ta 25 C hfe = 60 @ 0.1 A Ft = 50 MHz min This is a very non-cri

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Don Latham
NICE! Measure the resistance of the coil, and see what the current would be with the voltage you want to use. Figure out what the current might have been in the original installation. Ebay has an installation manual at auction for these clocks, may have a description of the driving circuit. In extr

[time-nuts] FE-5680 serial command tester

2012-01-22 Thread Scott Newell
Here's some source and a cygwin binary (let me know if I need to do a win32 binary) for a little app that will try all the known data request commands on your FE-5680. If you're willing and able, I'd like for you to run this against each unit you have before it's locked and again after it's lo

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Jim Hickstein
On 2012/01/22 13:58, Jim Hickstein wrote: On 1/22/12 1:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Yahoo for real voltage power and current. Teletype style. Yes indeed the old loop currents seriously worked. No AA batteries here. ;-) How far will I get with my 3 D cells? They make it wind nicely, but I've been

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Don Latham
NTE lists their equivalent as: NTE-189 See: http://nte01.nteinc.com/nte/NTExRefSemiProd.nsf/$$Search Newark has 262 of them :-) Don Chris Albertson > I have an eBay HP5328A counter with two dead digits on the display. I > figured out the problem was two dead transistors. I can swap > transistors

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Chris wrote: Motorola MPS-U51 I look up the spec in the mps-u51 and see it is a to-220 like case and can handle 1W. The Motorola "Uniwatt" case was not really comfortable dissipating one watt even in 25 degree free air (the book spec). I used them and their NPN counterpart, the MPS-U01 in

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread paul swed
OK Clark put some pix up. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jim Hickstein wrote: > On 1/22/12 1:56 PM, paul swed wrote: > >> Yahoo for real voltage power and current. Teletype style. >> Yes indeed the old loop currents seriously worked. >> No AA batteries here. ;-) >> >> When will we see a pix o

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread Jim Hickstein
On 1/22/12 1:56 PM, paul swed wrote: Yahoo for real voltage power and current. Teletype style. Yes indeed the old loop currents seriously worked. No AA batteries here. ;-) When will we see a pix of this unit?? It's my day off. :-) Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Brooke

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock #2

2012-01-22 Thread paul swed
Guess I simply did not read enough threads I see the pix. Thanks On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: > Hi again: > > Sorry sent too soon. > > The time constant of the loop is L/R. By increasing R the loop runs > faster. > Western Union ran the clocks from 200 Volts with a drop

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 8170 -> SWCC clock

2012-01-22 Thread paul swed
Yahoo for real voltage power and current. Teletype style. Yes indeed the old loop currents seriously worked. No AA batteries here. ;-) When will we see a pix of this unit?? Regards Paul WB8TSL On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Brooke Clarke wrote: > Hi Jim: > > There are a number of options. > >

[time-nuts] Sold: Tek DC510 TM500 Counter (parts or repair)

2012-01-22 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 1/22/2012 1:14 PM, Oz-in-DFW wrote: > Unknown, untested, looks to be complete but clearly needs attention. > > Known issues: > > INST ID button is sticky > Missing a side cover > CHANNEL B BNC out of round, but looks reshapeable. > ARM SMB is damaged and will need to be replaced. > > High Res pi

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Chris: To get the LED segments to be the same brightness some form of current limiting is needed and this usually involves dropping resistors and an active current limiting circuit and that burns up a lot of power. What does the drive circuit look like? For example if you connect a scope to

[time-nuts] FS: Tek DC510 TM500 Counter (parts or repair)

2012-01-22 Thread Oz-in-DFW
Unknown, untested, looks to be complete but clearly needs attention. Known issues: INST ID button is sticky Missing a side cover CHANNEL B BNC out of round, but looks reshapeable. ARM SMB is damaged and will need to be replaced. High Res pics at http://www.ozindfw.net/sell/DC510/ $50 or best of

[time-nuts] HP5328A LEDS driver transistor

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Albertson
I have an eBay HP5328A counter with two dead digits on the display. I figured out the problem was two dead transistors. I can swap transistors with a good digit and the problem moves. I'd not worked on LED displays before. Turns out only one digit is lit up at a time, they strobe the digits in

Re: [time-nuts] Things to look for when buying a few FE-5680A's?

2012-01-22 Thread Chris Albertson
The current batch of (about) $40 units are different from what was available a year ago. These new ones require 5V DC input in addition to 15V and can only be programmed via RS232 a few Hz away from 10MHz. So they are only good for use as a 10MHz reference "Option 2" in the book refers to a diffe

[time-nuts] Optimax CA-1008 anyone?

2012-01-22 Thread Sam
Sounds like a CATV amp, Maybe the datasheet from the CA2600 would help? I have a TRW CA2600 here and the dimensions you specified are the same. http://www.datasheets.org.uk/dl/Datasheets-8/DSA-152713.pdf ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

[time-nuts] Optimax CA-1008 anyone?

2012-01-22 Thread Rob Kimberley
I'm trying to identify the above item. I believe it's an RF amplifier. It's a black module approx. 1.5 inches square by 0.5 inches high. It has 8 pins on the bottom of the package. I've tried Google but no joy. If anyone recognises it or even better has a data sheet than I would be very grateful.

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab and HP53132A

2012-01-22 Thread Timeok
> Including the very newest ones from the past couple of weeks? R: yes >Are you using > the talk-only option, or the Acquire->HP 53131... option that I just added > recently? R: yes but not work. No input data in monitor mode. > When you use the 'Monitor' button in the acquisition dialog, do yo