Re: [time-nuts] US Army Frequency Standard

2012-01-26 Thread John Howell
Well done Ziggy, I for one am grateful for your efforts, I commented previously on the high standard of construction but I couldn't believe that the angles of the screw slots at the corners of your schematic are identical to those in the lid of my TS65! grin John H. On 26 Jan 2012, at 03:14,

Re: [time-nuts] Things to look for when buying a few FE-5680A's?

2012-01-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you *need* to lock one of the new FE-5680's 10 or 20 Hz high, you probably can adjust the cap on the VCXO center it's range up there. I doubt it will reliably adjust out to 300 Hz though. For that parts changes or board surgery probably are required. Bob -Original Message- From:

Re: [time-nuts] Things to look for when buying a few FE-5680A's?

2012-01-26 Thread Scott Newell
At 01:21 AM 1/26/2012, Rex wrote: physical differences (like an sma output). Also, FEI has not been responsive, to my knowledge, to any questions from us surplus consumers/hackers. I wonder if they'd be responsive to a 'group-buy' of documentation or answers? Maybe it comes down to whether

Re: [time-nuts] Things to look for when buying a few FE-5680A's?

2012-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi If you *need* to lock one of the new FE-5680's 10 or 20 Hz high, you probably can adjust the cap on the VCXO center it's range up there. The frequency division is done by digital logic inside a CPLD and you'd need to re-program

Re: [time-nuts] Things to look for when buying a few FE-5680A's?

2012-01-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The PPS would indeed be off if you move the 10 MHz (no matter how you do it). The range of the output relative to the 380 Hz digital tune range is restricted by the pull range of the VCXO. There have been plots posted showing the pull range, and it's (lack of) centering. No need to re-shoot

Re: [time-nuts] Things to look for when buying a few FE-5680A's?

2012-01-26 Thread Scott Newell
At 11:36 AM 1/26/2012, Chris Albertson wrote: The option 2 that is in the book is different from the fine scale adjustment the current $40 can do. the true option two units can be programmed over a range of many MHz by sending RS232 commands but the current units can only by programmed over

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: OK.. without getting into celestial navigation, the whole thing of telling time with the moon is intriguing.  And with some forethought and data available today, we could fairly easily do what folks back in the 18th century

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/26/12 10:14 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jim Luxjim...@earthlink.net wrote: OK.. without getting into celestial navigation, the whole thing of telling time with the moon is intriguing. And with some forethought and data available today, we could fairly

[time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread paul swed
We are talking parts in the -9th but I am using a hp3801 and the general software that lets you see the 1 sec variation. I had never seen this behavior before and thought the oscillator must be in trouble. Measured it against a local RB and it was stable. Then it hit me, could this actually be the

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-26 Thread Jim Palfreyman
As a reasonably experienced occultation observer (and the very reason I got into being a time-nut - so I could time these observations), the main problem is that the number of binocular-observable occultations is actually quite rare. When the star appears or disappears behind the bright limb it is

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/26/12 2:08 PM, paul swed wrote: We are talking parts in the -9th but I am using a hp3801 and the general software that lets you see the 1 sec variation. I had never seen this behavior before and thought the oscillator must be in trouble. Measured it against a local RB and it was stable.

Re: [time-nuts] Windows app for FE5680 info dump

2012-01-26 Thread paul swed
Newell Your program worked just fine. Here is my units info Markings FE5680a 66576 is the model and SN is 0337-65040 Captured the system cold at turn on and then warm and locked All in the txt doc Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread paul swed
Yup just the first time I have seen the pps this crazy But as we speak its settling down. So it was an effect for about an hour. Regards Paul. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 1/26/12 2:08 PM, paul swed wrote: We are talking parts in the -9th but I am

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread lists
Is there something you could record to document this? Odd SNR on a bird? -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:15:27 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To:

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread paul swed
I can look but I don't think this program will do anything like that. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:25 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: Is there something you could record to document this? Odd SNR on a bird? -Original Message- From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com Sender:

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread paul swed
Sent u the file directly timenuts says to big a file and fair enough On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Sun of a gun I could save it as a bitmap Here you go Regards Paul. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:34 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: I can look

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread Chuck Harris
You might try compressing the file with something like 7z, or zip. That should reduce it about 10x in size. -Chuck Harris paul swed wrote: Sent u the file directly timenuts says to big a file and fair enough On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM, paul swedpaulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Sun of a gun

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/26/12 2:55 PM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: As a reasonably experienced occultation observer (and the very reason I got into being a time-nut - so I could time these observations), the main problem is that the number of binocular-observable occultations is actually quite rare. When the star

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-26 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Download Occult4 by Dave Herald. You can list off all Lunar Occultations for your location and choose a minimum magnitude to show. Start at 3.0, but probably 2.0 or above is a binocular viewing - depending on your skies. Note that Occult4 is an extensive piece of astronomical software for the

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-26 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/26/12 4:35 PM, Jim Lux wrote: Yeah, that is something I don't have a feel for.. How many stars are candidates? I assume you could get a moon RA/declination list, and then run that against the star list. This is one of those things that I was hoping there's probably someone who has a

Re: [time-nuts] Windows app for FE5680 info dump

2012-01-26 Thread Don Latham
I'd like to try this program, but my browser simply times out at the URL supplied below. Is it right at: http://n5tnl.com/time/fe-5680a/control/fe5680_info_win32.exe ??? thanks Don paul swed Newell Your program worked just fine. Here is my units info Markings FE5680a 66576 is the model and

Re: [time-nuts] Windows app for FE5680 info dump

2012-01-26 Thread Scott Newell
At 07:08 PM 1/26/2012, Don Latham wrote: I'd like to try this program, but my browser simply times out at the URL supplied below. Is it right at: http://n5tnl.com/time/fe-5680a/control/fe5680_info_win32.exe Try again, please. (I had a firewall rule that kept getting triggered by a bad link

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
google for Space Weather Effects on GPS there's a presentaton by Thomas Bogdan at the Space Weather Prediction Center that gives you some numbers to work with. 10s of meters effects aren't unusual. There's a wonderful example of GPS timing and space weather in a paper by fellow time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] GPS tick all over the place. Suspect aurora effects

2012-01-26 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Tom Van Baak said the following on 01/26/2012 08:24 PM: google for Space Weather Effects on GPS there's a presentaton by Thomas Bogdan at the Space Weather Prediction Center that gives you some numbers to work with. 10s of meters effects aren't unusual. There's a wonderful example of GPS

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-26 Thread J. Forster
It's old, but how about the SAO Atlas catalog. It goes to something like 7th Mag, so there are lots to pick from. -John == On 1/26/12 2:55 PM, Jim Palfreyman wrote: As a reasonably experienced occultation observer (and the very reason I got into being a time-nut - so I could time

Re: [time-nuts] telling time without a clock

2012-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
simbad is a catalog of catalogs with a built in web based search engine. It is pretty much what everyone uses to search. You can define a shape and ask for all objects that meet some criteria that are within that shape. Other software can plot the result for you as a chart If it is not in

Re: [time-nuts] Windows app for FE5680 info dump

2012-01-26 Thread Don Latham
Got it, Scott thanks. I'm packaging a 5680 now and should be able to try it Real Soon Now. Don Scott Newell At 07:08 PM 1/26/2012, Don Latham wrote: I'd like to try this program, but my browser simply times out at the URL supplied below. Is it right at: