Re: [time-nuts] New M12+ and M12M compatible GPS module

2012-03-26 Thread Tom Knox
Thanks Ron Thomas Knox > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 23:53:15 -0400 > From: timekeepingntpl...@c3energy.com > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New M12+ and M12M compatible GPS module > > Hi all, > > I thought I'd post this since it's related to the same company. Chris > Alberts

Re: [time-nuts] New M12+ and M12M compatible GPS module

2012-03-26 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hi all, I thought I'd post this since it's related to the same company. Chris Albertson posted this on the NTP Questions list recently in response to one of my queries. quote on --> If you are looking for a brand new timing GPS and don't like buying on eBay, I think the best deal is going

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680A x-rays

2012-03-26 Thread WB6BNQ
Rich, Would it not be better to make them a TIFF format ? While larger in size, there would be no loss of resolution. BillWB6BNQ Rich wrote: > Photoshop works with both the RAW and the PSD format. > There are several free programs that will convert them in jpg with some loss > of resoluti

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680A x-rays

2012-03-26 Thread Rich
Photoshop works with both the RAW and the PSD format. There are several free programs that will convert them in jpg with some loss of resolution. If the format is a problem to people I'll see if I can convert them to jpg but they won't be as sharp and you will loose some contrast control. The RAW

Re: [time-nuts] Book by William Riley

2012-03-26 Thread Ed Palmer
The Handbook of Frequency Stability Analysis and the Stable 32 manual are hard copies of the pdfs that you can download free from his web site ( www.wriley.com ). Ed On 3/26/2012 2:34 AM, Rex wrote: On 3/24/2012 3:54 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: and the Hanbook of Frequency Stability Analysis

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680A x-rays

2012-03-26 Thread Erno Peres
Hi Rich, please advise which program can I open the files...?? Rgds Ernie. -Original Message- From: Rich To: time-nuts Sent: Tue, Mar 27, 2012 12:24 am Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE5680A x-rays Ok here they are: About 30 real-time X-ray images were done in transmission nd the i

Re: [time-nuts] FE5680A x-rays

2012-03-26 Thread Rich
Ok here they are: About 30 real-time X-ray images were done in transmission and the images were captured using the imaging system, printed and later assembled to create a one meter scale of the printed circuit board. A low voltage, in the 50kV range, was used to better visualise the hidden copper

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question re adev measurements

2012-03-26 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks John, to put this in perspective the data sets for the good readings might have phase wraps every 40,000 seconds or so. The data sets for the bad adev readings might have phase wraps ever 3,000 seconds or so. Typically I would compare two 10 Mhz signals and take one reading per second.

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question re adev measurements

2012-03-26 Thread Mark Spencer
Thanks that's helpfull. What happened was one of my first measurement devices and the software I was using didn't handle phase wraps properly so I took pains to limit the frequency off set so I could gather data for 40,000 seconds or more without phase wraps. Now I have equipment and softwar

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question re adev measurements

2012-03-26 Thread John Miles
It's a bit worse than that. The DUT and reference phase difference can't be allowed to exceed 50 ns per trigger interval, in the case where two ~10 MHz signals are being measured. If the frequencies disagree enough to create a phase slope greater than that -- meaning if they are more than 5E-8 *

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: Bruce wrote: A circuit schematic for a current feedback triple with reasonably low noise and distortion is attached. Quite a good performer for such a simple circuit. I found, both in modeling and on the bench, that there is the usual noise bump at 200-300 MHz a

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-03-26 Thread Azelio Boriani
Sorry, I meant "even if the recipient is in the EU". Interesting the proposed use of the LEA-6T time stamping... On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Dennis Ferguson < dennis.c.fergu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 26 Mar, 2012, at 12:56 , Chris Albertson wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Att

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question re adev measurements

2012-03-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My first guess is that your limiter is (for what ever reason) doing better at say 1 Hz offset than it is at 10 Hz. Second guess would be that the higher offset is closer to a noise source / spur in your lab. Past that, you get into a lot of "that depends" things. If you are doing cross correlat

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question re adev measurements

2012-03-26 Thread Azelio Boriani
A frequency offset is allowed but must stay the same for the entire measurement. On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Mark Spencer wrote: > Greetings, I was reviewing some older adev plots of mine and noticed that > there may be a correlation between lower adev numbers and lower frequency > off set

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-03-26 Thread Dennis Ferguson
On 26 Mar, 2012, at 12:56 , Chris Albertson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: >> Moin, >> >> I have the numbers together for the group buy of the u-Blox LEA-6T. > > I have not been able to locate a spec sheet for there. Do you have a > link? Or maybe you could s

[time-nuts] Basic question re adev measurements

2012-03-26 Thread Mark Spencer
Greetings, I was reviewing some older adev plots of mine and noticed that there may be a correlation between lower adev numbers and lower frequency off set between the reference source and the device under test. It's my understanding that the adev calculations remove constant frequency off se

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-03-26 Thread Javier Herrero
El 26/03/2012 22:30, Azelio Boriani escribió: 120CHF + the custom duties. Even if in the EU. Switzerland is not part of EU :) Although it is part of Schengen Area. Regards, Javier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-03-26 Thread Azelio Boriani
120CHF + the custom duties. Even if in the EU. On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Bill Riches wrote: > > http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/LEA-6_DataSheet_%28GPS.G > 6-HW-09004%29.pdf > > Regards, > > Bill Riches, WA2DVU > Cape May, NJ > > - > > I have not been able to locate

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-03-26 Thread Bill Riches
http://www.u-blox.com/images/downloads/Product_Docs/LEA-6_DataSheet_%28GPS.G 6-HW-09004%29.pdf Regards, Bill Riches, WA2DVU Cape May, NJ - I have not been able to locate a spec sheet for there. Do you have a link? Or maybe you could say how these are improved over the M12M? -- Chris Al

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-03-26 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:56:06 -0700 Chris Albertson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > Moin, > > > > I have the numbers together for the group buy of the u-Blox LEA-6T. > > I have not been able to locate a spec sheet for there. Do you have a > link? Or maybe y

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-03-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > Moin, > > I have the numbers together for the group buy of the u-Blox LEA-6T. I have not been able to locate a spec sheet for there. Do you have a link? Or maybe you could say how these are improved over the M12M? -- Chris Albertson Re

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN C on the air 1400 EST may have been on all day

2012-03-26 Thread Bill Riches
Cape may is up as of 1600 EDST 73, Bill, WA2DVU Cape May, NJ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

[time-nuts] LEA-6T Group buy

2012-03-26 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, I have the numbers together for the group buy of the u-Blox LEA-6T. I can get them for 120CHF if we can get more then 10 together, which isn't too hard i guess. Add another 3-5CHF shipping, depending on where you live (w/o insurance). How to order: 1) Send me a mail in private. NOT to the m

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread shalimr9
I have often seen (don't ask me how) silicon diodes getting so hot that they unsolder themselves from the board and fall at the bottom of the equipment enclosure, yet they work fine after the fact even though they don't look so good. I have been tempted to solder them back in in more than one o

[time-nuts] LORAN C on the air 1400 EST may have been on all day

2012-03-26 Thread paul swed
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Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Randy wrote: if one is distributing 10 Mhz, does it really matter what the circuit does at 300 and 900 Mhz?? That depends on what it is feeding and what noise and other signals are getting to the DA input. Some synthesized 10 MHz sources produce energy well above 10 MHz. I consider nonmon

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Chuck Harris
Pure quartz glass, which is silicon dioxide, softens (bends) at 1665C, and melts at something around 2000C. Softening and melting are not the same thing. At the softening point glass can be bent without breaking, at the melting point (which is quite wide) it flows like a liquid. It has to get a

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread ALAN MELIA
I dont think so, pure quartz melts at, I think, 1440C but glasses (like lead-glass) melt at much lower temperatures 500 to 600C. Remember the chemical glass-blowing skill of the technicians. The glass mix has to be formulated to match the expansion rate of the lead seals. A iron alloy with a s

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent GPS Timing Antenna question

2012-03-26 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 04:30:44PM -0700, Jerry Mulchin wrote: > I do know that it has 40dB of gain. But I don't > know what the power supply voltage is suppose to be. I would assume +5VDC. If > any has information I would appreciate getting it if possible. My usual > friend Google was of no help.

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Randy D. Hunt
On 3/26/2012 8:15 AM, Charles P. Steinmetz wrote: Bruce wrote: A circuit schematic for a current feedback triple with reasonably low noise and distortion is attached. Quite a good performer for such a simple circuit. I found, both in modeling and on the bench, that there is the usual noise

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
It would be interesting if the FTS-1050A curves were also plotted. Joe From: John Ackermann N8UR To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Date: 03/25/2012 03:54 PM Subject:Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ? Sent by:t

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Chuck Harris
Sintered means that the envelope is formed while the glass is in a powdered form, and is then melted to fuse it into glass. The key is they are using a very low temperature glass. For the Dumet seals on the wires (the pink band) to work, the copper in the seal has to be thoroughly wetted by the

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Bruce wrote: A circuit schematic for a current feedback triple with reasonably low noise and distortion is attached. Quite a good performer for such a simple circuit. I found, both in modeling and on the bench, that there is the usual noise bump at 200-300 MHz and non-monotonic behavior out

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Mike S
On 3/26/2012 10:10 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: The glass used to make the body of the diode melts at something like 1500C! I think they're sintered, not melted, and it's more like 700 C - http://www.us.schott.com/epackaging/english/glass/technical_powder/passivation.html# _

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Chuck Harris
Yes, but The glass used to make the body of the diode melts at something like 1500C! -Chuck Harris ALAN MELIA wrote: Si juctions are formed at temps of 1000C or more. Thermal failure is more likely to be due to alloying of metal contact areas. I used to lifetest transistors up to 360C for

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread ALAN MELIA
Si juctions are formed at temps of 1000C or more. Thermal failure is more likely to be due to alloying of metal contact areas. I used to lifetest transistors up to 360C for 20 hours with power applied!! and anything up to 6 months at 200C. You cant get those temps with plastic encalsulations tho

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Javier Herrero
I was only kidding a bit, since for a lot of the most common JEDEC and also non-JEDEC conventional (as opposed to SMD) discrete components they are similar parts with a similar numbering in SMD, and the 1N914 is one of them - so I found it not the best example :) . However, the same argument co

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread David C. Partridge
An Si junction can tolerate pretty high temperatures for a short while, or even a long while - Bob Pease reported having had a component sat on the hot end of a soldering iron for about 24 hours and still working afterwards ... I've never seen a description of how they make those glass cased p

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Peter Gottlieb
Well, *I* care... (Damn, can't even keep a straight face hidden behind email) Ok, well at least it's an amusing argument. Well, partially. So, here's something I've wondered for a while: how are glass cased diodes made? Wouldn't the temperatures needed to form the glass and sea

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution amp - Use a video amp unit ?

2012-03-26 Thread Mike S
On 3/25/2012 9:54 PM, gary wrote: MMBD914 !=1n914. 1n914BWTm i.e. using a suffix, is something I haven't seen before, but technically 1N914BWT != 1n914. That is, in the strict sense, the 1n914 has to be a diode in that glass package. As long as we're being pedantic, you're wrong. What you say i

[time-nuts] Loran-C Anthorn Down Time

2012-03-26 Thread GandalfG8
To anybody else attempting to use Loran-C from Anthorn in the UK for timing or frequency calibration purposes, I have just found out the hard way that it's scheduled to be off air every day from today until 6th April inclusive between the hours of 0700 and 1900 UTC :-( Other stations in the

Re: [time-nuts] Book by William Riley

2012-03-26 Thread Rex
On 3/24/2012 3:54 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: and the Hanbook of Frequency Stability Analysis You didn't mention looking at that one. Any comments about it? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/