Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread gary
As a FYI, the 6 port card I use is based on the4 Netmos NM9845CV. There are a few vendors peddling serial cards using this chipset and part number. Mine is from "Best Connectivity" (SD-PIO9845-6S). The card is windows and linux capable. ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, at least now we are down to some numbers. Ever taken a look at NTP on a Windows box running serial? It's not anywhere near a microsecond…. Bob On May 23, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> Ok, to be 1000: 1, you wou

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Ok, to be 1000: 1, you would take the 0.2 to 0.5 ms that you see on the LAN > and take it up to 200 to 500ms. That's *way* worse than anything I have ever > seen for a serial server over a LAN. Yes, 200 ms would be insanely poor. NTP wi

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Ok, to be 1000: 1, you would take the 0.2 to 0.5 ms that you see on the LAN and take it up to 200 to 500ms. That's *way* worse than anything I have ever seen for a serial server over a LAN. Bob On May 23, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Bob Camp

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > What ever degradation the serial stream sees on the LAN, the resulting NTP > output will see once it's on the same LAN. It's unlikely you will see more > than a 2:1 net degradation no matter what is going on. The flywheel in the > NTP algor

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What ever degradation the serial stream sees on the LAN, the resulting NTP output will see once it's on the same LAN. It's unlikely you will see more than a 2:1 net degradation no matter what is going on. The flywheel in the NTP algorithm will likely help you in this case to actually improve th

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port -- multi-port cards

2012-05-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi They have been sitting in the shed for 15 years now. They were knock off's when I bought them. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of DaveH Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:46 PM To: 'Discussion of precise time and freq

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> If the timing involved is NTP, I'm not so sure that a normal home lan with >> gigabit switches would be a problem. One thing I forgot to add. Gigabit switches are WORSE for NT

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > If the timing involved is NTP, I'm not so sure that a normal home lan with > gigabit switches would be a problem. You can indeed saturate the poor thing. > Unless you have a very unusual system, it is unlikely you will saturate it > for ver

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port -- multi-port cards

2012-05-23 Thread DaveH
Hi Bob Actually, I checked the website before posting and Digi has drivers for Windows Vista and 2008 ( as well as XP, 2K and 98)-- I will see if it works on Win7 before posting what I have. What cards do you have? Dave > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:

Re: [time-nuts] Impedance measurement fitting algorithm

2012-05-23 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Henry: You might just try using a spreadsheet to calculate the complex impedance of your model circuit and manually play with the parameter values and get them to match the measured data. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/Clarke4Congress.html

[time-nuts] Impedance measurement fitting algorithm

2012-05-23 Thread ehydra
Hi time-nuts! If I remember correctly here was a discussion about an older HP impedance measurement equipment. The one which is able to calculate a 6 ideal parts replacement circuit for the measured passive device. How does is it works? I would like to fit parts for simulation in SPICE. So I

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA, better than Thunderbolt?

2012-05-23 Thread Dan Rae
On 5/20/2012 7:56 PM, Mark Sims wrote: An interesting test would be to test a Nortel unit and a Tbolt with the same oscillator and see if the basic hardware had any difference in performance (I bet they would be very close) I had my Nortel running on the bench, in the open, for about 48 Hours,

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If the timing involved is NTP, I'm not so sure that a normal home lan with gigabit switches would be a problem. You can indeed saturate the poor thing. Unless you have a very unusual system, it is unlikely you will saturate it for very long or saturate it very often. NTP is pretty tolerant of t

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 23 May 2012 01:54:20 -0700 Hal Murray wrote: > > There aren't noticable more jitter for moderate (1-2 MByte/s) traffic. > > (Probably visible if i would do a statistical analysis...but..) > > 1-2 megabytes/sec is 8-16 megabits/sec. You won't get into serious troubles > until you satur

Re: [time-nuts] Datum ExacTime 6000

2012-05-23 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
Hi Tom, Thanks for replying to my request with some info. I went ahead and set the mode to AUTO. After your comment, I read the manual again and it says that the unit will transition to STATIONARY once it detects that the position has not changed for a while. As for the Windows control softw

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 94, Issue 120

2012-05-23 Thread Dan Kemppainen
I've had really good luck with anything based on the FTDI chip set. Other chip sets have given me problems... Dan On 5/22/2012 6:37 PM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: I have yet to be happy with any USB to serial conversion in legacy applications. They always end up less than transparent

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a writeup onusing ?

2012-05-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I have a few of those from back in the BBS days. None of them seem to have drivers any more. Bob On May 23, 2012, at 12:52 AM, DaveH wrote: > I used to run a multi-line BBS (Wildcat!) and may still have two multi-port > serial interfaces. I know that one has eight com ports and the other c

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port server .. any interest in a write up on using ?

2012-05-23 Thread Hal Murray
att...@kinali.ch said: > On an ethernet it looks quite different: [snip lots of low jitter samples] > Network is a destkop - switch1 - switch2 - ntp box. > The switches are two Level1 Gbit smart switches. The desktop is a ~4y old > Xeon 2GHz system with a Gbit interface The ntp box is a AMD Geo