Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread Tom Miller
I agree with Ron. Clean the board up real good then do an inspection. With a microscope if you can get your hands on one. Look for cracked SMT parts. The high heat from the oven could very well stress the parts causing a failure. Flux the board up and hit all the connections with a small iron. W

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread Ron Ward
Hi: I have been looking at the poor quality solder joints on the oscillator. If you have a steady hand and a small tipped soldering with silver baring (about 2% silver) solder, I would re-solder the connections. Many of them do not look properly "wetted" and cold. Some of the heat from removing the

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586B Selective Level Meter

2012-07-26 Thread Bill Riches
Strange - email me a pic of the hole you are trying to plug into. bill.ric...@verizon.net -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 6:58 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread paul swed
OK I get to add 10 cents here. Yes indeed various foam stuff goes to heck after many years and can indeed become this strange goo-ie stuff. Or it gets all flakey. Well the good news is stuff seems to work and that can be frustrating. So I would suggest the very deep dive and look at all of the sold

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586B Selective Level Meter

2012-07-26 Thread Chuck Harris
There are three connectors in that style, the WECO358, which is the standard US Bell connector, The Trompeter video connector, and the mini WECO, aka the WECO438/440A. The trompeter video and the normal WECO look like they should be compatible, but they aren't. The Trompeter connector has a narr

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586B Selective Level Meter

2012-07-26 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
I ordered a BCJ-VWP adapter from Markertek. A week and $18 later it shows up but does not fit my 3586B. It is too fat to go into the connector on the HP, and the center pin is way too fat.. On 07/19/2012 04:48 AM, Bill Riches wrote: Purchase the Canare BCJ-VWP adapter from Martertech or other s

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread Paul Flinders
On 26/07/12 20:49, Tom Miller wrote: Pick up a few sticks of ChipQuik and mix it in with a good iron. Then, you may do just what you say. It should melt below about 95°C. A good hot air heat gun would most likely do the trick. Maybe use some solder wick first to lower the amount of tin/lead sold

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread Tom Miller
Pick up a few sticks of ChipQuik and mix it in with a good iron. Then, you may do just what you say. It should melt below about 95°C. A good hot air heat gun would most likely do the trick. Maybe use some solder wick first to lower the amount of tin/lead solder. Then add the chipquik. You migh

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread Paul Flinders
On 26/07/12 17:49, Tom Miller wrote: Hi Bob, Did you look at his pictures of the oscillator? I think the base will need to be secured and the top pulled off. This is different from most of the OCXOs I have seen. I'm somewhat tempted to try putting the bottom in the vice, heating the whole sea

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo

2012-07-26 Thread Ed Palmer
"Everything old is new again." Now that I think about it, maybe the added solder is helping by doing more than just transfer the heat. As the current, which is at least 100 amps, spreads from the copper to the solder, the solder will heat up which is exactly what we want. Ed On 7/26/2012 9

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes, it's a base that goes outside the cover rather than a base that fits inside the cover. Since the cover is the "big part" it's the only practical thing to grab onto. The base with the pins coming through it is tough to pull on without getting yourself into trouble. Bob -Original Messa

Re: [time-nuts] About heterodyne method?

2012-07-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Quick summary: Computing / period counters give you a constant number of digits of resolution regardless of input frequency. Back when this stuff was developed a counter that gave you nine digits a second was pretty common. Typical setup: 1) Take two oscillators and tune them 1 to 10 Hz apa

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread Tom Miller
Hi Bob, Did you look at his pictures of the oscillator? I think the base will need to be secured and the top pulled off. This is different from most of the OCXOs I have seen. Regards, Tom - Original Message - From: "Bob Camp" To: "'Discussion of precise time and frequency measure

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Standard approach: 1) Secure the "top" of the part (the cover) in a vise. You need something between the cover and metal jaws to keep it from wicking the heat. Leather works, so do plastic inserts. Keep the jaws as far away from the base as practical. 2) Fire up what ever you have for a majo

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo

2012-07-26 Thread Ron Ward
Hi ED: Good point but I guess that it's all resistance heating and copper is about 10 times more conductive than steel and the contact surface area is quite small. Anyway, it has worked for me several times in the past. I did a search at the ARRL website on crystal grinding and found two articles

Re: [time-nuts] About heterodyne method?

2012-07-26 Thread Azelio Boriani
Search for DMTD, dual mixer time difference. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Hui Zhang wrote: > Hello everyone: > > I hnow 'heterodyne method' is very useful method of pricision > frequency measurement (use DBM and LPF), but I only found very few > infomation when I searched in early docmen

[time-nuts] About heterodyne method?

2012-07-26 Thread Hui Zhang
Hello everyone: I hnow 'heterodyne method' is very useful method of pricision frequency measurement (use DBM and LPF), but I only found very few infomation when I searched in early docments, Can someone give me more information about this 'heterodyne method'? The block diagram is best.

[time-nuts] My T-bolt died...

2012-07-26 Thread Michael Baker
Time-nutters-- Aaaarrrghhh! My T-bolt died. I have the version with the built-in power supply that requires only a +24 input. The power supply is putting out +12, -12 and +5. At least I see these voltages on the upper board on the pins of the 6-pin connector that supplies power to the main bo

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo

2012-07-26 Thread Paul Flinders
On Wed, July 25, 2012 10:05 pm, Paul Flinders wrote: > There is a UK supplier of HCD Research ocxo's and although the HCD-66 is > clearly obsolete, a current unit - the HCD-660 looks about the right spec > (http://www.golledge.com/docs/products/ocxos/hcd660.htm). However > I'm pretty certain that i

Re: [time-nuts] I am looking for the email address for DavidPartridge

2012-07-26 Thread David C. Partridge
My apologies, I had a brain fault - the unpopulated boards are GBP20 each *not* GBP10. Postage to UK is an additional GBP5, and GBP12 to the rest of the world. I will honour the price of GBP10 per board for those that have already ordered. Sorry, David Partridge -Original Message- Fro

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo

2012-07-26 Thread bg
Hi, Note that the 1804M, also has a 1PPS output. This is coming directly from the GPS module 1PPS. The Trimble SV6 module I have in my units is only good to 1us, almost a 1000 times worse than a Tbolt. I am not sure if the SV6 has a "sawtooth" error message giving a good estimate on how wrong the

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo

2012-07-26 Thread Ed Palmer
I'm not the original poster with the dead oscillator, but I have done this in the past ( and will again in the future, I'm sure). I'm definitely going to try this idea. I have both models of soldering gun as well. The bigger one is Model D550 and is rated at 200/260 watts. I think that's th

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo

2012-07-26 Thread Paul Flinders
On 25/07/12 23:10, Bob Camp wrote: Hi That's just a basic solder sealed package. It should be pretty easy to pop open. You'll use up a bit of solder wick doing it… I'm still sort-of hoping someone with experience will offer but I'm leaning towards having a go at some point. My natural react

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo

2012-07-26 Thread Paul Flinders
On 25/07/12 23:36, Ed Palmer wrote: Take another look at flea bay. If you search for < "5 mhz" oscillator > and weed out the trash there are a few decent looking units. I had searched for 5MHz ocxo which is why I didn't see the ones you found. Having said that the result is slightly frustrating