Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Bob Camp
HI Ok, it's TimeNuts, we need numbers… Say no phase slips is 0.1 UI on the 16 MHz. That would be a jitter number of 6.25 ns RMS. Bob On Jan 4, 2013, at 7:18 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: > How about getting back to basics. > Is it a one off, if production how many and what are the specification

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread paul swed
I think the thread branched and as I recall started something like this. Someone needed a "Simple" 16 Mhz for a uproc made from a 10 Mhz source. Two reasonable answers were given. Injection locked oscillator Typical div and mult/filter. A third and kind of interesting for me a Ti chip soic digital

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As I recall the spec was: 1) Cheap 2) no phase slips on the 16 MHz relative to 10 MHz 3) Cheap Bob On Jan 4, 2013, at 7:18 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: > How about getting back to basics. > Is it a one off, if production how many and what are the specification > requirements? Otherwise on

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread EWKehren
How about getting back to basics. Is it a one off, if production how many and what are the specification requirements? Otherwise on this list it can go on for a year. Bert Kehren In a message dated 1/4/2013 6:11:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wlfuq...@uky.edu writes: At 07:51 PM 1/4/2013

[time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Bill Fuqua
At 07:51 PM 1/4/2013 +, you wrote: My question is about the phase noise of the final 16MHz signal. Do > crystal filters "clean up" the signal. It seems that after several > 16MHz crystals in series the output should look a lot like an XO. > For offsets out to 100 Hz or so, using a crystal

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Lizeth Norman
It's actually for an amateur space downlink, Not quite C band but close! Various mixers are available on the bay from cheep to the not so cheap. Thanks for the tip regarding the Norsat LNBF. ! I'll let my fingers do the walking. Norm On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:12 PM, wrote: > If you need that mixe

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread lists
If you need that mixer for a LNBF, I believe that is close to the international C-band. Google around for a Norsat that ends in "I". They use it in India. -Original Message- From: Lizeth Norman Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:12:55 To: Discussion of precise t

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/4/13 11:34 AM, Ed Palmer wrote: They are neat toys, aren't they? :-) I discovered them a couple of years ago. Since then I've collected a few from ebay to play with. They're oddball units with no documentation, but they weren't too hard to decipher. I even cobbled together a phase-lock s

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Lizeth Norman
Ed, The files in the zip are of great usefulness!! Thank you very much! Norm On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Bill Powell wrote: > Likely double balanced mixer... > > > On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:10 PM, gary wrote: > >> dbm? >> >> >> On 1/4/2013 9:45 AM, Lizeth Norman wrote: >>> >>> I've actually purch

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Bill Powell
Likely double balanced mixer... On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:10 PM, gary wrote: > dbm? > > > On 1/4/2013 9:45 AM, Lizeth Norman wrote: >> >> I've actually purchased several of these with the thought of using >> them to drive the LO port of a dbm so that I can rx at 5.84GHz (as >> well as some other

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Ed Palmer
They are neat toys, aren't they? :-) I discovered them a couple of years ago. Since then I've collected a few from ebay to play with. They're oddball units with no documentation, but they weren't too hard to decipher. I even cobbled together a phase-lock system for one. It worked, but it w

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Lizeth Norman
Double balanced mixer! Sorry for the silly overuse of abbreviations.. Norm On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM, gary wrote: > dbm? > > > > On 1/4/2013 9:45 AM, Lizeth Norman wrote: >> >> >> I've actually purchased several of these with the thought of using >> them to drive the LO port of a dbm so tha

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread gary
dbm? On 1/4/2013 9:45 AM, Lizeth Norman wrote: I've actually purchased several of these with the thought of using them to drive the LO port of a dbm so that I can rx at 5.84GHz (as well as some other freq's) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/4/13 10:25 AM, Rick Karlquist wrote: Chris Albertson wrote: My question is about the phase noise of the final 16MHz signal. Do crystal filters "clean up" the signal. It seems that after several 16MHz crystals in series the output should look a lot like an XO. For offsets out to 100 Hz

[time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Bill Fuqua
If you divide by 5 the phase noise sideband amplitude (voltage) will be divided by 5. That is a reduction of 14db for all phase noise sideband frequencies . Then when you multiply that by 8 you will add the phase noise sidebands will be multiplied by 8 or 3x6db or 18 db. So the end result will

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Rick Karlquist
Chris Albertson wrote: > My question is about the phase noise of the final 16MHz signal. Do > crystal filters "clean up" the signal. It seems that after several > 16MHz crystals in series the output should look a lot like an XO. > For offsets out to 100 Hz or so, using a crystal filter will cau

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Lizeth Norman
Daniel, Another place to go is KE5FX's site. He's got lots of good info on the stellex ones as well as controlling them with the rf synthesizer that can be had on that conspicuous auction place. I've actually purchased several of these with the thought of using them to drive the LO port of a dbm s

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Alan Melia
Hi Daniel, I cant remember the reference the web site might help but there have been at least a couple of articles on YIG modules in VHF Comms magazine Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: "Daniel Mendes" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Friday, Janua

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Bob Bownes
Paul Wade built a board recently to do just this. www.w1ghz.org. Bob On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > THis is exactly what they are talking about the 74HC390 can do over > 50MHz and costs abut 30 cents. You don't need ECL or anything so > exotic the 30 cent part will w

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz -> 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Chris Albertson
THis is exactly what they are talking about the 74HC390 can do over 50MHz and costs abut 30 cents. You don't need ECL or anything so exotic the 30 cent part will work. Set it for divide by 5. I guess this is imperfect enough that there is some fourth harmonic content in the 2MHz square wave, th

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread J. Forster
Most modern books on micriowave design (and probably Wiki) have the basics. They are based on the NMR principle (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance). This is the same physics used in MRI. You might also look at old issues of the HP Journal or the Watkins-Johnson house journal. The former is easily availab

[time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Daniel Mendes
Hi, maybe this topic is a bit boundary for this list, but i´ll just ask for general directions I´ve discovered these wonderfull bits of hardware called YIG (Yttrium iron garnet) Oscillators (and filters!) in Ebay. If someone doesn´t know what i´m talking about, they are very broadband t

Re: [time-nuts] GPS/Glonass/Galileo GPS Receiver

2013-01-04 Thread Azelio Boriani
Have you alredy submitted a price query for chips/EVK? On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Martyn Smith wrote: > Hello, > Has anyone tried the NV08C-MCM GPS receiver chip? > I’m interested in a chip that will work with all the different satellite > systems. > Regards > Martyn > _

[time-nuts] GPS/Glonass/Galileo GPS Receiver

2013-01-04 Thread Martyn Smith
Hello, Has anyone tried the NV08C-MCM GPS receiver chip? I’m interested in a chip that will work with all the different satellite systems. Regards Martyn ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/

Re: [time-nuts] Questions about TAC frontend, and some measurements

2013-01-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Attila Kinali wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:45:40 +0100 Fabio Eboli wrote: Il 2012-12-23 07:42 Bruce Griffiths ha scritto: The classic TAC using current mode switching is similar to the attached circuit schematic. http://pastebin.com/EkgqmgfE I have a couple of smal