Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Platinum RTD's are a pretty good bet for -80C, they hold up well down there. For calibration, ammonia and acetylene both have triple points in the vicinity. I'd probably try ammonia first, but not for any good reason. Triple point cells aren't all that hard to make. Never tried it with

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Fabio Eboli
Il 2013-01-26 14:58 Bob Camp ha scritto: Hi Platinum RTD's are a pretty good bet for -80C, they hold up well down there. For calibration, ammonia and acetylene both have triple points in the vicinity. I'd probably try ammonia first, but not for any good Doesn't acetylene have a bad habit of

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
For microscopes and all related topics, the Yahoo Microscope Group is very knowledgeable. It has over 3500 members now. -John = This is by definition Off Topic I'm looking for a forum where people are about as technically competent as here but where an amateur scientist

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 102, Issue 100

2013-01-26 Thread Russ Ramirez
Hi Chris, Try pinging the folks on this forum phy...@antennex.com which is oriented towards Theoretical Physics, or email Kirk T McDonald at Princeton directly and see if he can recommend one for you. Russ K0WFS -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:32:58 -0800 From: Chris

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Sounds like a good reason to avoid it. Bob On Jan 26, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Fabio Eboli fabi...@quipo.it wrote: Il 2013-01-26 14:58 Bob Camp ha scritto: Hi Platinum RTD's are a pretty good bet for -80C, they hold up well down there. For calibration, ammonia and acetylene both have triple

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
Trying to play with liquid acetylene is like juggling operating chainsaws. -John Il 2013-01-26 14:58 Bob Camp ha scritto: Hi Platinum RTD's are a pretty good bet for -80C, they hold up well down there. For calibration, ammonia and acetylene both have triple points in the

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread lists
If the intent is surface mount work, get an old BL Stereozoom 3. I'd suggest getting one with any attached illuminator, even a broken one, since the fitting to hold the illuminator is about $30. Later model stereozooms had plastic parts in the focus mechanism. If you need more magnification,

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread DARRELL ROBINSON
I did a Google search and came across sciencenuts.org, but content was limited If you have no success, maybe science-nuts could be created. There would be at least two of us joining. - Original Message - From: Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Don Latham
Maybe wrong search words; There may be pearls in here: http://www.goedonline.com/101-websites-for-science-teachers Don DARRELL ROBINSON I did a Google search and came across sciencenuts.org, but content was limited If you have no success, maybe science-nuts could be created. There would

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Don Latham
Or perhaps: http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/78-amateur-science/ Don Don Latham Maybe wrong search words; There may be pearls in here: http://www.goedonline.com/101-websites-for-science-teachers Don DARRELL ROBINSON I did a Google search and came across sciencenuts.org, but content was

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Paul Amaranth
Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:28:19 +0100 From: Fabio Eboli fabi...@quipo.it To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum Message-ID: 5ef3f142b075fcab38182666a4e50...@quipo.it

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Graham / KE9H
On 1/26/2013 1:29 PM, Paul Amaranth wrote: Message: 4 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:28:19 +0100 From: Fabio Eboli fabi...@quipo.it To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum Message-ID:

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If the intent is to come up with a triple point cell to calibrate your thermometer, acetone's triple point (at 178.5K) is a bit low. I still think I'd go with ammonia. Bob On Jan 26, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.com wrote: On 1/26/2013 1:29 PM, Paul Amaranth wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Bob Weiss
You might try the Society of Amateur Scientists at: http://www.soamsci.org/index.html There is also the Science Madness BBS, although they lean heavily toward chemistry: http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/index.php 73, Bob Weiss N2IXK ___

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
You can't be serious. Ammonia gas or liquid is dangerous. You can buy calibrated RTDs or rent a quartz thermometer and stay alive. YMMV, -John === Hi If the intent is to come up with a triple point cell to calibrate your thermometer, acetone's triple point (at 178.5K) is a

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: If the intent is surface mount work, get an old BL Stereozoom 3. I'd suggest getting one with any attached illuminator, even a broken one, since the fitting to hold the illuminator is about $30. Later model stereozooms had

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
The microscope group can help with reccomendations. 1000x is really pushing it, because of 'empty magnification'. Best, -John == On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:00 AM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: If the intent is surface mount work, get an old BL Stereozoom 3. I'd suggest

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes, indeed you can buy or rent a calibrated RTD. You might be able to rent a quartz thermometer. The HP version (2804) has been history for quite a while. In both cases they come with a cute little disclaimer on the accuracy that more or less says: We can't be sure that this stays

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:46 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: The microscope group can help with reccomendations. 1000x is really pushing it, because of 'empty magnification'. 1000x is the standard. Almost every microscope in a biology lab will have a 100x oil immersion objective and a

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
http://edl-inc.com/datasheetPDFgallery.php For example. Unless you are doing fundamental physics research, are you sure you need a cryo temperature standard? -John == Hi Yes, indeed you can buy or rent a calibrated RTD. You might be able to rent a quartz thermometer. The HP

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I was thinking more in terms of: http://us.flukecal.com/products/temperature-calibration/probessensors/secondary-standard-prts/56265628-secondary-sprt-prt-t It all depends on what you are trying to do. Since I didn't make the original request, and no tolerance was stated, it's all

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread David Kirkby
On 26 January 2013 18:31, DARRELL ROBINSON darr...@shaw.ca wrote: I did a Google search and came across sciencenuts.org, but content was limited If you have no success, maybe science-nuts could be created. There would be at least two of us joining. Make that three. Dave

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Eric Garner
The stereo boom mount scopes from amscope are priced right. The one I have seems well made and works great for surface mount work down to 0201. Some of the finish details are a bit off (generic metal adjustment handles) but it was a new, complete, guaranteed working scope so I don't have any

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Stan, W1LE
I like the idea of a amateur microscopy nuts reflector. After a warm day, my bees took their cleansing flights and I collected some of their poop to look for parasites. Did not find anything moving at 500x , like tracheal mites or their parts, but I did find a lot of undigested pollen. I

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned inThunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-26 Thread Sarah White
On 1/25/2013 1:43 AM, David J Taylor wrote: From: Sarah White [complex instructions snipped] --Sarah P.S. sorry to double-post like this. === Sara, It's far simpler to go into the Device Manger and disable the spurious device, as described

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread J. Forster
The Yahoo Microscope Group already exists with over 3700 members world wide, which forms a huge knowlege base, from biology to microelectronics. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Microscope/ Why re-invent the wheel? -John == I like the idea of a amateur microscopy nuts reflector.

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned inThunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
http://www.gpsmap.net/GarminHints.html#GPSR_ComputerMouse David -- that particular solution does not work in many cases. Shortened URL: http://goo.gl/xFcSc Sarah -- that solution also doesn't work in many cases. Read the entire 3 pages of frustrated comments that follow the so-called

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Stan, W1LE
Thanks for the pointer. I am checking it out now. Stan On 1/26/2013 8:59 PM, J. Forster wrote: The Yahoo Microscope Group already exists with over 3700 members world wide, which forms a huge knowlege base, from biology to microelectronics. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Microscope/ Why

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread lists
Eh, I'd spend the extra $200 and get a BL unless you don't expect to use it much. At around $300, you would get a Stereozoom 3, heavy table and long arm. The Stereozoom dates back to the days they built magnetic RAM. It is designed for all day use. The working distance is kind of important if

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Scott McGrath
Try a AO PhaseStar phase contrast microscope they are relatively cheap on eBay and they should be more than adequate for beekeeping. The phase contrast feature allows you to see celluar details without staining in most cases Most of them have fittings for camera tubes so photomicrography is

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Scott McGrath
Liquid acetone requires special handling and pressurized cells to keep it from explosively disassociating. Ammonia also requires pressure vessels and in pure form is incredibly corrosive So unless you are trained in these techniques just don't even think about doing this Sent from my iPhone

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentionedinThunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-26 Thread David J Taylor
http://www.gpsmap.net/GarminHints.html#GPSR_ComputerMouse David -- that particular solution does not work in many cases. Shortened URL: http://goo.gl/xFcSc Sarah -- that solution also doesn't work in many cases. Read the entire 3 pages of frustrated comments that follow the so-called

Re: [time-nuts] Serial port / Mouse issue (was mentioned inThunderbolt Monitor)

2013-01-26 Thread David J Taylor
-Original Message- From: Sarah White [] Whatever works for you though I guess. I was just explaining the officially supported method *shrugs* = It seems from Tom's comments that the various fixes don't work for everyone. I count myself

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Scott wrote: Liquid acetone requires special handling and pressurized cells to keep it from explosively disassociating. Did you mean liquid acetylene? Liquid acetone is sold in nearly every hardware and drug store in the US, and is one of the usual solvents into which acetylene is

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Unless you are doing fundamental physics research, are you sure you need a cryo temperature standard? You are right. What I asked I should have said that 1% accuracy would be good enough.I'm pretty sure now that I can get