Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:40:47 + li...@lazygranch.com wrote: The circuit is something like the instrumentation amplifier. The description starts on page 207 with a schematic on page 208. I can scan it later, but the circuit is easy to describe. Think of two op amps in the classic current

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:28:59 +1300 Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: With a suitable low noise tunable LO (laser) the frequency spectrum beyond the photodiode electrical bandwidth can be explored. I don't exactly get how the laser spectrum (line width?) can be exploited

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 30 Mar 2013 20:45:43 + David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: Fulll thesis here http://www.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/research/borl/docs/dkirkby.pdf I have seen systems where one sinusoidally modulates the voltage of a photomultipler tube. You could do the same with an APD. Then it

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread David Kirkby
On 31 March 2013 13:52, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: But probably using an APD with gain modulation at 1GHz or so, i could down modulate the signal to something that is easier to handle (ie something similar as a direct conversion software defined radios). I wonder if this would

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (was Re: Brooks Shera)

2013-03-31 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/30/13 2:58 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote: What a bunch of hooey. Another so called expert wasted hours of my time because he can't be bothered to either note that code is buggy or just can't be bothered.. If you don't want to release it, then don't. If you do and it's a POS, Expect emails.

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread Mike S
On 3/30/2013 7:48 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: So far, i figured out that PIN photodiodes can go up to several 100MHz transition frequency and avalanche photodiodes are available up to 2GHz. The only photodiodes that go higher are those for the telecom range at 1-1.5um, which is a bit low for my

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (was Re: Brooks Shera)

2013-03-31 Thread Lizeth Norman
All u guys that post code to push up your little ego and then don't help when it sucks need to see a shrink. Don't want emails, don't post. Keep your bad code in the folder were it belongs. There are enough who think they know. And finally: The code in question is without question buggy. BTW:

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (was Re: Brooks Shera)

2013-03-31 Thread Javier Herrero
On 31.03.2013 17:32, Lizeth Norman wrote: All u guys that post code to push up your little ego and then don't help when it sucks need to see a shrink. Don't want emails, don't post. Keep your bad code in the folder were it belongs. Are you suppossing that anybody that releases any code must

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (can we stop now?)

2013-03-31 Thread Said Jackson
Not only has this thread been completely off topic from this list, but the level of discourse has turned abysmal, and now we are even posting insults. I have not seen that kind of tone in more than 7 years on this list. Please discuss this between yourselves, and spare the rest of us. Said

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (can we stop now?)

2013-03-31 Thread Had
I totally agree with Said. Please take this stuff somewhere else and let us get back REAL Time-Nut stuff. Had K7MLR -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Said Jackson Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:10 To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (was Re: Brooks Shera)

2013-03-31 Thread Scott McGrath
There are those of us who write code to solve a problem and post it so others can use it as is or as a starting point for their own code. Has nothing to do with ego boosting has more to do with paying it forward for all the snippets of code and diagrams we used in the past to jump start

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (was Re: Brooks Shera)

2013-03-31 Thread Lizeth Norman
On a positive note, the number of people that have demonstrated the downright humility to help me has been staggering. Not only with the basics, but the details as well. All it takes has been a cogent email. No begging or offer of other. Said taught me much about smt prototyping. All in one email.

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable solution

2013-03-31 Thread paul swed
Documents written and will convert to adobe later today. However the doc is 300KB in size and does not even contain pictures and strip charts so the time-nuts mailbox won't accept that. Several of you in the past have been kind enough to offer to host the file. If you can directly email me please

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB d-psk-r update. Seems a reasonable solution

2013-03-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I'm sure the usual web sites would be quite happy to host the files. Bob On Mar 31, 2013, at 3:16 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Documents written and will convert to adobe later today. However the doc is 300KB in size and does not even contain pictures and strip charts so the

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Nothing to do with laser line width. Merely indicating that the photodiode mixer can be used with a suitable LO to build an optical spectrum analyser front end. Bruce Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 12:28:59 +1300 Bruce Griffithsbruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz wrote: With a

Re: [time-nuts] Releasing sources (was Re: Brooks Shera)

2013-03-31 Thread Todd F. Carney / K7TFC
On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Lizeth Norman normanliz...@gmail.com wrote: All u guys that post code to push up your little ego and then don't help when it sucks need to see a shrink. *and* On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Scott McGrath scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: [This] [h]as nothing to do

[time-nuts] WWVB D-PSK document

2013-03-31 Thread John Ackermann
At Paul's request, I've put his document about the PSK scrubber for WWVB at: http://www.febo.com/pages/wwvb_psk/WWVB%20d-psk-r%2003302013.pdf John ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB D-PSK document

2013-03-31 Thread paul swed
Thanks John. On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 5:21 PM, John Ackermann j...@febo.com wrote: At Paul's request, I've put his document about the PSK scrubber for WWVB at: http://www.febo.com/pages/**wwvb_psk/WWVB%20d-psk-r%**2003302013.pdfhttp://www.febo.com/pages/wwvb_psk/WWVB%20d-psk-r%2003302013.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderboltenvironment?

2013-03-31 Thread David Hooke
Hi All, I've setup a TBolt with a late model oscillator mounted externally to the case, and moved the C version temp sensor from the main PCB to the oscillator. With a little fan, LH is keeping the temperature within about 0.02dC. Amazing, given I have about 10dC ambient variations. How do

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB D-PSK document

2013-03-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If the VCXO's tuning voltage runs from zero to 5 volts, and the VCXO tunes 0.1 Hz / 0.5 volts at 12 MHz, then it has a total range of about 1 Hz at 12 MHz. That's about 0.08 ppm of tune range. A generic crystal likely has a tempo of 0.1 to 1 ppm / C. My guess is that you will need a bit

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB D-PSK document

2013-03-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Uhm, yes. You want your pulling-range to handle all the drift and tempco you reasonably can assume, and also that of the application and signal. Since the signal is WWVB in this case, we can ignore that factor. Also, you don't want to be completely de-tuned from start either. I'm sure

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB D-PSK document

2013-03-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi But can you ignore the WWVB signal swing? The beast flips a cycle (or more) as you hit sunrise or sunset. A cycle at 60 KHz is a lot of ppm. Weather this happens fast enough to actually turn it into a tuning issue is the question. Bob On Mar 31, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Magnus Danielson

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB D-PSK document

2013-03-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, True. The station itself doesn't swing +/- 100 ppm, but the channel you recieve it from can alter delay quick enough to annoy you. But the phase-change needs to put in context with the time it takes to make the phase-change in order to come up with a frequency error. However, if it

Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderboltenvironment? Answer found

2013-03-31 Thread David Hooke
Sorry Everyone, The answer is in the LH readme, and I completely overlooked it. /k[?=#] - set temp control parameter '?' Cheers, david Hi All, I've setup a TBolt with a late model oscillator mounted externally to the case, and moved the C version temp sensor from the main PCB

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB D-PSK document

2013-03-31 Thread paul swed
Bob and Magnus no offense taken at all good comments and thats why I shared. Needs other eyes then just mine. I captured the text in a seperate document reread tomorrow. Easy stuff first. Magnus the concerns on the channel are very real and it really does shift phase significantly. I do see this

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread gary
Noise adds in a RMS fashion unless it is correlated. So a differential amplifier can cancel common mode noise, but that is about it. The diode, being a single ended device, seems to me to be impossible to bias in a manner where the noise from the bias circuitry will cancel out. Note it may

Re: [time-nuts] Photodiodes for high frequency OPLL

2013-03-31 Thread gary
I've bought optical filters from Andover. They are pretty cheap, at least compared to the rest of the industry. http://www.andovercorp.com/Web_store/index.php On 3/31/2013 5:52 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Probably. But as steep filters for optics are kind of hard to come by, i think a super