Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Chris Albertson writes: >The plan was to place maybe 100,000 devices in orbit [...] That would effectively end human spaceflight, because you would generate a massive layer of space-debris. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP s

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
If there is a way to steer this thread to an actual time & frequency topic, then continue to post. Otherwise, please consider the thread now closed. Or carry it on in *private* emails with the OP. Thanks, /tvb http://leapsecond.com/time-nuts.htm _

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065B !!!

2013-04-27 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Has anyone considered a laser pumped variant like: http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1009.pdf Apart from the ECDL laser (can be assembled using readily availalble parts) it looks fairly straightforward. Bruce Tom Van Baak wrote: Very nice bit of R&D work on Corby's part. Mine is certainly work

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Daniel Schultz
Jim Lux wrote: >It's been challenging to find out information like Center of Mass position, >where the other GPS receivers are, etc. (complicated in part because half >of station is measured in inches/feet, and the other half in meters) This reminds me of a story I heard about while building th

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A frequency standard

2013-04-27 Thread paul swed
Gregory Well I am afraid I have become spoiled in that I use the GPS locked references these days. They consume little power or maybe about the same actually as the 10. So I also have a mix of great old oscillators. But for me at least thats what the 10 would be. I have to say that it was what star

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/27/13 9:40 AM, Gregory Muir wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:59:21 -0700, Jim Lux wrote: Total dose will be very small (after all astronauts live in LEO) So you'd worry about cosmic rays and single event effects. They fly a lot of unmodified commercial equipment on ISS (and on Shuttl

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread J. Forster
Sometimes imaging sensors are just not available at wavelengths of interest. There is no choice but mechanical scanners. Bearings are also needed to de-spin antennas, etc. -John = > On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT), L. Forster wrote: > >>When I was building space payloads, ever

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A frequency standard

2013-04-27 Thread Gregory Muir
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 16:16:17 -0400, Paul Swed wrote: >I looked and must have hit the same site you did for the sulzer. Yes I >expect a log warmup. I used them in the navy and we never let them go >cold. circa 1973-1979. Took them to the cal lab on battery etc. I thought >maybe I would have a m

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Gregory Muir
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 12:06:45 -0700 (PDT), L. Forster wrote: >When I was building space payloads, every component had to meet or exceed >a VCM (Volitile Condensible Material) spec. >This was mainly of concern with plastics, like wire insulation (we used >Teflon and Kapton) but especially potting c

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Peter Gottlieb
An iPhone as a weapon of mass (times velocity squared) destruction. On 4/27/2013 7:03 PM, J. Forster wrote: Putting 100,000 items in space is a non-starter. The existing space trash is already a big concern, and there have been seriuous proposals for missions to clean it up. An iPhone, travelli

Re: [time-nuts] Sulzer 5A battery replacement

2013-04-27 Thread paul swed
I just built a 3 term adjustable reg and that was it. Been running fine for many many years. Pretty sure this topic has been on time-nuts before and as I recall the 3 terminal regulator was a completely evil solution. That discussion was a while ago also. In the meantime as look to the right and in

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Lizeth Norman
Gentlemen, One of the objects of the phone sat missions is to ensure deorbit for exactly that reason. (As a matter of fact, it just happened today.) More than a few of the new cubesats have deployable streamers to accelerate reentry. Why not a cloud of 100? Start small. Makes sense and sounds good

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread J. Forster
Putting 100,000 items in space is a non-starter. The existing space trash is already a big concern, and there have been seriuous proposals for missions to clean it up. An iPhone, travelling at orbital velocity, has a lot of kinetic energy! There was an uproar years ago when the Westford Needles ex

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Chris, On 04/27/2013 11:07 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gregory Muir wrote: I'm curious if they ever have any problem with earth-based commercial component outgassing clouding the camera optics. I went to a lecture on the idea of putting a cell phone like o

[time-nuts] Sulzer 5A battery replacement

2013-04-27 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, I have a Sulzer 5A, but no NiCd batteries. Buying new batteries is possible, but would cost me more than the unit cost me. One alternative proposed would be to build a Zener-based battery-simulator, to have the PSU operate properly without batteries. Another would be to fit o

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Gregory Muir wrote: > I'm curious if they ever have any problem with earth-based commercial > component > outgassing clouding the camera optics. I went to a lecture on the idea of putting a cell phone like object in orbit. The idea was that it should have a cos

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A frequency standard

2013-04-27 Thread paul swed
I looked and must have hit the same site you did for the sulzer. Yes I expect a log warmup. I used them in the navy and we never let them go cold. circa 1973-1979. Took them to the cal lab on battery etc. I thought maybe I would have a manual I don't. You are lucky to get one. Great reference.

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread J. Forster
When I was building space payloads, every component had to meet or exceed a VCM (Volitile Condensible Material) spec. This was mainly of concern with plastics, like wire insulation (we used Teflon and Kapton) but especially potting compounds. And, don't even think about ball bearings near optics

Re: [time-nuts] OT - but of interest?

2013-04-27 Thread Gregory Muir
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:59:21 -0700, Jim Lux wrote: >Total dose will be very small (after all astronauts live in LEO) >So you'd worry about cosmic rays and single event effects. >They fly a lot of unmodified commercial equipment on ISS (and on >Shuttle, when we still flew it) and they typical

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A frequency standard

2013-04-27 Thread Gregory Muir
Thank you for you replies Dave and Paul! Well, patience won out and I left the unit on for a considerably longer time. The inner oven meter indication then started to come up off of zero after nearly seven hours. Not knowing the thermal mass it has to heat I guess I assumed that it would have

[time-nuts] nanobsd conf

2013-04-27 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Hi All, I am trying to get my head around building a nanobsd for some HP thinclients to run as stratum 1 servers. If you have the time, please send me an example conf file for "sh nanobsd.sh -c myconf.nano" I am unsure of how to add my 2 refclocks, a 29 (trimble) and a 20 (nmea+pps) Also, where

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065B !!!

2013-04-27 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Very nice bit of R&D work on Corby's part. Mine is certainly working well > after the modification, but I'm just blown away at the performance seen with > Tom's unit. Hi John, Yes, apparently some 5065A respond better than others to Corby's clever mod. It's clear why there is improvement; it'

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065B !!!

2013-04-27 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Hi, Where are the details of the changes and how to do them? Jim On Saturday, 27 April 2013, John Miles wrote: > Very nice bit of R&D work on Corby's part. Mine is certainly working well > after the modification, but I'm just blown away at the performance seen > with > Tom's unit. > > Another

Re: [time-nuts] AN/URQ-10A

2013-04-27 Thread paul swed
I can say inners always take a lot longer The battery pack being out may be effecting some critical voltage Just a guess Paul WB8TSL On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:07 PM, wrote: > To all, > > I acquired a AN/URQ-10A frequency standard which appears to have received > little or no service since its b