[time-nuts] HP Neat Retrofits

2013-06-22 Thread Perry Sandeen
List,   Check these out on ebay   5370A W/Rubidium.   Item number: 321147995106.  Slick, but I wonder about the heat issue.   HP 3325B W/Rubidium.  Item number: 300907767545. Very nicely done.  IMHO, fairly priced.   Regards,   Perrier _

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/22/13 5:35 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi How stable a 1.023 oscillator? How much pull range on that oscillator? H….. Doppler is the big component..several kHz.. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.fe

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation

2013-06-22 Thread Max Robinson
The university of Florida still owned, that's right owned, an IBM 709 when I was there 1960 through 1968. I took a tour of it and punched a few cards to program it. IBM didn't sell computers to anybody not even the feds but they sold this one. That should have made the purchasing department

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation

2013-06-22 Thread Max Robinson
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Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bob, On 06/23/2013 02:35 AM, Bob Camp wrote: How accurate?? Resolvers are good to about 16 bit accuracy, so I guess 1 part in 60,000. if the orbit circumference is 163 Mm, then a resolver can determine the position to a few km. However, I don't know that that is good enough. If you need to kn

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bob, On 06/23/2013 02:35 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi How stable a 1.023 oscillator? How much pull range on that oscillator? H….. The 1.57542 GHz carrier gets you to +/- 6 kHz which is about +/- 3.8 ppm, so it's not that hard to do. Cheers, Magnus _

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5860A - R232 working but S type commands don't work.

2013-06-22 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Note for the Cygwin executables, comport parameter in the unix format. e.g. fe5680a_logger.exe /dev/com1 by using comm_5680 I was able to get Hadamard Deviation down from 1.15E-10 to 2.75E-12 @100 Seconds !!! In any man's book, a fantastic improvement. I have yet to let it settle down and a twe

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Jun 22, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > On 06/23/2013 01:52 AM, Jim Lux wrote: >> On 6/22/13 4:38 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: >> electromechanical.. like omega receivers. rotary transformers can do very high quality trig functions, but do you actually need tr

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How stable a 1.023 oscillator? How much pull range on that oscillator? H….. Bob On Jun 22, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > Hi Bob, > > On 06/23/2013 02:06 AM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> Well if the chip rate is at or above 1 MHz, a wavelength is 300 meters or >> less. A

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bob, On 06/23/2013 02:06 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Well if the chip rate is at or above 1 MHz, a wavelength is 300 meters or less. A 1 KM error is probably a bit to large. A tube-channel to keep tracking within a chip does not seem too hard. Utilizing that precision for the rest of the calc

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/23/2013 01:52 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 6/22/13 4:38 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: electromechanical.. like omega receivers. rotary transformers can do very high quality trig functions, but do you actually need trig functions assuming you're just solving for X,Y,Z,T. Oh yes. Check IS-GPS-200

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Well if the chip rate is at or above 1 MHz, a wavelength is 300 meters or less. A 1 KM error is probably a bit to large. Bob On Jun 22, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 6/22/13 4:38 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > >>> >>> electromechanical.. like omega receivers. rotary transformers c

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/22/13 4:38 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: electromechanical.. like omega receivers. rotary transformers can do very high quality trig functions, but do you actually need trig functions assuming you're just solving for X,Y,Z,T. Oh yes. Check IS-GPS-200F, clause 20.3.3.4.3 User Algorithm for

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are talking about a "tube only" design ( = no solid state diodes) - I doubt you can get a navigation fix (download the almanac etc) before you hit the mean time to failure of the gizmo.That's based on the published remembrances of those who ran them. All of the tube based computers I'

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/23/2013 12:59 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 6/22/13 3:28 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/23/2013 12:04 AM, Jim Lux wrote: I think that doing the PN code and correlator is something that could be done with tubes (especially if you didn't want to go P-code). I suppose you could use a counter to

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/22/13 3:28 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 06/23/2013 12:04 AM, Jim Lux wrote: I think that doing the PN code and correlator is something that could be done with tubes (especially if you didn't want to go P-code). I suppose you could use a counter to record the changes in code phase as you

Re: [time-nuts] Still looking for datasheet for Trimble 34310-T (off list)

2013-06-22 Thread Bob Stewart
In that case, I probably have more information than I have any right to have.  =) thanks, Bob - Original Message - > From: Bob Camp > To: Bob Stewart > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Still looking for datasheet for Trimble 34310-T (off > l

[time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation...

2013-06-22 Thread Burt I. Weiner
Here's a better picture and block diagram of the RCA 7016 FM Exciter. The motor can be seen in the center. Notice that the plastic compartment that has the flywheel for the motor also has about 1/4" of silicon oil to act as a damper to prevent low frequency sound such as thumps from causing i

[time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation...

2013-06-22 Thread Burt I. Weiner
RCA made the MI-7016 exciter for their early FM transmitters that was all tube, and phase locked to a crystal that was in the 100 kHz region. The crystal frequency was determined by dividing the desired operating frequency (88 to 108 MHz) by1296. It was lovingly called, "The Iron Fireman". I

Re: [time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/23/2013 12:04 AM, Jim Lux wrote: I think that doing the PN code and correlator is something that could be done with tubes (especially if you didn't want to go P-code). I suppose you could use a counter to record the changes in code phase as you scan for the correlation peak, so that gets y

Re: [time-nuts] raspberry pi, adafruit gps & ntp

2013-06-22 Thread folkert
Hello, The last 25 hours I measured the jitter of my RPi-with-userspace PPS processing. In the following graph you'll see those measurements. Each row is an hour: http://vps001.vanheusden.com/~folkert/jitter-hm.png There's some kind of wave in it which I cannot explain: everything not related to t

[time-nuts] tube GPS receivers

2013-06-22 Thread Jim Lux
I think that doing the PN code and correlator is something that could be done with tubes (especially if you didn't want to go P-code). I suppose you could use a counter to record the changes in code phase as you scan for the correlation peak, so that gets you your numeric code phase. Getting

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remodulator for the Spectracom 8170...

2013-06-22 Thread paul swed
See my update I think the xtals no longer going to be an issue On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 10:17 AM, paul swed wrote: > Trying to catch up on several hundred work emails. Not exciting. > I absolutely agree that the 60002 would make a lot of sense. > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Burt I. Wein

[time-nuts] WWVB remod works with spectracom 8170 and netclock/2 other updates

2013-06-22 Thread paul swed
Thanks to Dave on Time-nuts I have been able to verify that the wwvb remodulator works fine with the netclock/2 or the spectracom 8182. On the 8182 if you use it with the remodulator it senses the antenna. You need a 1.8K resistor to ground to make the rcvr believe an antennas there. Its actually a

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation

2013-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/22/2013 11:10 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: On 06/22/2013 05:27 PM, Didier Juges wrote: A real treat would be to do the GPS receiver with tubes ;) The the correlation channel(s) would be possible to do in tubes. The rest of the processing is "problematic". The

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation

2013-06-22 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: > On 06/22/2013 05:27 PM, Didier Juges wrote: >> A real treat would be to do the GPS receiver with tubes ;) > The the correlation channel(s) would be possible to do in tubes. The rest of > the processing is "problematic". The IBM 709 was tubes. (Well, mostly, th

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation

2013-06-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/22/2013 05:27 PM, Didier Juges wrote: A real treat would be to do the GPS receiver with tubes ;) The the correlation channel(s) would be possible to do in tubes. The rest of the processing is "problematic". Cheers, Magnus ___ time-nuts mailing

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation

2013-06-22 Thread DaveH
If anyone can do it, it would be these people: http://www.ominous-valve.com/tour.html Home page: http://www.ominous-valve.com/index.html Dave > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Max Robinson > Sent: Saturday, June

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation

2013-06-22 Thread Max Robinson
Why set such puny goals. How about a smart phone with tubes. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. - Original Message - From: "Didier Juges" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compens

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation

2013-06-22 Thread Didier Juges
A real treat would be to do the GPS receiver with tubes ;) Didier Joseph Gray wrote: >>Otherwise you might just as well lock it up instead. > >Hmm, a 1970 vintage tube transmitter with a GPSDO frequency lock :-) > >Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I will spend more time with >this >rig

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5860A - R232 working but S type commands don'twork.

2013-06-22 Thread Mark C. Stephens
No report from MSE here, and they all work as expected. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Miller Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2013 12:12 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5860A - R232 working but S type commands don'twork.

2013-06-22 Thread mike cook
Nothing from Win7+latest Bitdefender update. Le 22 juin 2013 à 16:12, Tom Miller a écrit : > MSE reports the two .exe files as unsafe and contains a virus. Does anyone > else see the same thing? > > Regards > > - Original Message - From: "Mark C. Stephens" > To: "Discussion of precis

[time-nuts] How standards have changed

2013-06-22 Thread Joseph Gray
Another one, rejected for attachment size. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19599147/QST%20May%201930.jpg A comment was made about how things have changed over the years regarding frequency accuracy. I am currently going through a scanned set of QST magazines that I borrowed and came across an

Re: [time-nuts] Oscillator temperature compensation...

2013-06-22 Thread Joseph Gray
Burt, Thanks for the information. I thought that the tolerance was supposed to 100 Hz, as You said. As far as I know, this is the original crystal that came with the rig when NMSU bought it. I will spend more time working with the rig this weekend. I am looking for a solid state LPB transmitter,

Re: [time-nuts] Still looking for datasheet for Trimble 34310-T

2013-06-22 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob and thanks for the feedback.  Unfortunately, the only search hits I get for Tekelec DOC-1903 are timenuts posts about the GSTM document and the GSTM document, itself.  But I did track down the Oak 4895 which should be similar.  In any case, I have enough information to put this together,

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5860A - R232 working but S type commands don'twork.

2013-06-22 Thread Tom Miller
MSE reports the two .exe files as unsafe and contains a virus. Does anyone else see the same thing? Regards - Original Message - From: "Mark C. Stephens" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FE-586

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB remodulator for the Spectracom 8170...

2013-06-22 Thread paul swed
Trying to catch up on several hundred work emails. Not exciting. I absolutely agree that the 60002 would make a lot of sense. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Burt I. Weiner wrote: > Paul, > > This is probably why they sell crystals cut for 60,002 kHz and 60,005 kHz. > I ordered 10 of the 60,0

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5860A - R232 working but S type commands don't work.

2013-06-22 Thread Mark C. Stephens
To Answer my own question, as obviously no one here knew the answer, Its documented in the FE5680A technical manual. After a couple of hours sending hex and working out checksums and generally doing my head in I came across this site: http://n5tnl.com/time/fe-5680a/control/ Some nice person has

Re: [time-nuts] Still looking for datasheet for Trimble 34310-T

2013-06-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi According to the Nortel GSBW50AA spec on the Trimble GPSTM (page 26), T was used for Tekelec DOC-1903 OCXO's. Bob On Jun 21, 2013, at 11:17 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: > I found an old post that indicated that it is a relabeled Vectron OC-050. > Can anyone verify that? I've gotten most of th

Re: [time-nuts] The first FMT

2013-06-22 Thread ken johnson
Joe, I have placed the two .pdf's permanently on one of my web pages:- http://www.vk7krj.com/ham_stuff.htm Ken, vk7krj www.vk7krj.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/