Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi HP was as much into 1 and 5 MHz as the rest of the world in the 1950's. It took them quite a while to really decide that everything was going to be 10 MHz. I'm sure there were some "interesting" discussions in various labs during the late 60's and well into the 70's. Bob On Aug 3, 2013, a

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-03 Thread Pete Lancashire
Another 5 MHz HP was the 5360A On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > The math is pretty simple: > > The Q of quartz goes up as the frequency goes down. > > A crystal resonator's performance (Q) is limited by it's thickness to > diameter ratio. > > At some point the resonator

Re: [time-nuts] Audio broadcast: Does the "leap second" matter?

2013-08-03 Thread Max Robinson
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[time-nuts] Audio broadcast: Does the "leap second" matter?

2013-08-03 Thread David J Taylor
From the BBC: "Today presenter Evan Davis talks to author Dava Sobel (author of the book Longitude) on the atomic clock and why time matters." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23559189 Last 4 minutes 33 seconds (no, it's not silence, John Cage fans!). Not much for time nuts,though. Cheers,

Re: [time-nuts] Radio Shack GPS Module

2013-08-03 Thread David J Taylor
From: Tim Shoppa Very likely the Parallax PMB-648, a SirfStar III. A fair number of local radio shack stores have Parallax and Arduino stuff on the shelves without a Radio Shack part number. http://www.parallax.com/go/GPS === If you want PPS output, and TTL/C

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 08/03/2013 02:28 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > The whole drop frequency / better Q thing really only applies if you are > looking for ADEV with tau's > = 0.1 second. If you are after phase noise, > then there are other things to worry about. White noise and flicker noise of oscillator and buf

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-03 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The whole drop frequency / better Q thing really only applies if you are looking for ADEV with tau's > = 0.1 second. If you are after phase noise, then there are other things to worry about. Bob On Aug 3, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Didier Juges wrote: > Some instruments (Tek 494 for instance) us

Re: [time-nuts] Radio Shack GPS Module

2013-08-03 Thread Tim Shoppa
Very likely the Parallax PMB-648, a SirfStar III. A fair number of local radio shack stores have Parallax and Arduino stuff on the shelves without a Radio Shack part number. http://www.parallax.com/go/GPS On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 5:34 PM, J. Forster wrote: > In looking around the local Radio Sha

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz x 10MHz

2013-08-03 Thread Didier Juges
Some instruments (Tek 494 for instance) use a 100 MHz VCXO phase locked to 10 MHz for lower phase noise when multiplied into the microwave bands, demonstrating that there is more than one way to skin a cat. Didier KO4BB Bob Camp wrote: >Hi > >The math is pretty simple: > >The Q of quartz goes