Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Flemming Larsen
The shaking table, or base plate, is not a "non-moving mass", but is the coupling factor which transfers the energy from the sum of all the other moving masses from the strongest to the weaker. Another example of "majority rule", if you will. Remove the resonance frequency of this coupling fact

Re: [time-nuts] HP3048 RMB software

2013-09-13 Thread John Seamons
On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:03 AM, David Hooke wrote: > Does anyone have a secret stash of the RMB A.03.0x version? I don't have that. But what I do have that might be of interest to someone is the source code (BASIC) for the older 3047A system (11740A/35601A). I have uploaded it to KO4BB (give Didie

[time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Joe Leikhim
Much like injection locking one or more Magnetron oscillators from a reference signal. -- -- Joe Leikhim Leikhim and Associates Communications Consultants Oviedo, Florida jleik...@leikhim.com 407-982-0446 WWW.LEIKHIM.COM ___ time-nuts maili

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Max Robinson
Thank you. Interesting. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Woodworking site http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/Woodworking/wwindex.html Music site: http://www.m

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt temperature sensor

2013-09-13 Thread Tom Van Baak
Dave, The actual number is x.75 degrees but the program you're using (LH?) apparently truncates the display. TBoltmon doesn't have this problem. Regardless, there's much more to it than just which program you use. I never finished this article, but it explains a few things about the TBolt 1620

[time-nuts] Osc ppt

2013-09-13 Thread quartz55
I understand it means parts per trillion (10^12), but can someone tell me what the trace is measuring? Is it an indication of how far off frequency the osc is at incremental times, relative to what the unit thinks is correct by way of PPS (over time)? Or point me to reading material please. I

Re: [time-nuts] TBolt temperature sensor

2013-09-13 Thread quartz55
I've been observing my Temp trace for a week or so now. Seems like my sensor, if I let the unit cool off to room temp, starts at a real temp say 25, then ramps up to about 37 or so degrees and then goes into this mode where it switches between 2 one degree levels, 35.7 and 36.7. There is also

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Bob Stewart
And, in fact, the mass of the "shake table" has a big impact on the lock time, as does the mass of everything else besides the mass of the pendulum weights.  Would there be a natural resonant frequency of the non-moving masses (shake table etc) that could prevent lockup? Bob >_

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Hal Murray
b...@evoria.net said: > If 99 out of 100 metronomes were slower than the one fast one, I don't think > it would rule.  I think you're overlooking the fact that this is a "greatest > moving mass rules" case.  Notice that the board they're resting on moves.  > This changes the speed of the pendulums

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Bob Stewart
If 99 out of 100 metronomes were slower than the one fast one, I don't think it would rule.  I think you're overlooking the fact that this is a "greatest moving mass rules" case.  Notice that the board they're resting on moves.  This changes the speed of the pendulums as they move.  It can eithe

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread David McGaw
Not true. It depends on the strength and reciprocity of the coupling. If essentially equal as with the metronomes which are coupled pendulums (the math exists for this), the systems will come to some combination frequency, though as has been mentioned in a many-oscillator system there may be

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Bill Hawkins
Maybe not. We need the math that describes the phenomenon, but it won't come from me. Consider the way that television sync pulses synchronized the sweep oscillators. The pulse has to get there before the oscillator cycles on its own. Similarly, the movement of the common base has to occur before

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The effect applies to a lot more than metronomes. Where things lock up depends a lot on the level of coupling. In some cases they arrive at a compromise. In others they "decide" to lock at one or the other side of the average. The decision in that case is fractal, so predicting which side

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread David McGaw
Compromise. On 9/13/13 7:56 PM, Max Robinson wrote: Question about the two metronome experiment. Is the slow one sped up or the fast one slowed down? Or do they arrive at a compromise? Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.n

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Max Robinson
Question about the two metronome experiment. Is the slow one sped up or the fast one slowed down? Or do they arrive at a compromise? Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Woodwo

Re: [time-nuts] nortel trible NTBW50AA boards SCPI command access

2013-09-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Some of the similar boards have *lots* of 0.5 Hz coming out on differential pairs. I suspect that the easy approach for NTP would be to hack the driver. Bob On Sep 13, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > Typo - 0.5Hz, coming out of a 74AC74 driven by PAL. > Split off to front conne

Re: [time-nuts] nortel trible NTBW50AA boards SCPI command access

2013-09-13 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Typo - 0.5Hz, coming out of a 74AC74 driven by PAL. Split off to front connector and "cellular interface" so there is 2 places to pick of 0.5Hz. -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Iain Young Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2

Re: [time-nuts] nortel trible NTBW50AA boards SCPI command access

2013-09-13 Thread Iain Young
Hi Mark On 13/09/13 13:26, Mark C. Stephens wrote: One obvious use for the SCPI port could be for NTPD. The NTBW50AA is lacking 1PPS but has a very accurate 2 Hz pulse ideal for NTPD. 2Hz ? I thought it they were a pulse on the even second, thus actually 0.5 Hz ? I wonder how the PPS Driver

[time-nuts] time nuts etiquette

2013-09-13 Thread Tom Van Baak
I guess I picked the wrong two days to be away from the list! I want to let you all know I will be sending private emails to explain to some what our community is and to remind others of our unwritten, but common sense, rules of mailing list etiquette. The list is usually pretty good about keep

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread David McGaw
The first character was dropped off: http://io9.com/5947112/watch-32-discordant-metronomes-achieve-synchrony-in-a-matter-of-minutes On 9/13/13 1:44 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote: I first read about this is Scientific American a couple decades ago. A slightly different set of clocks become largely synch

Re: [time-nuts] nortel trible NTBW50AA boards SCPI command access

2013-09-13 Thread EB4APL
Mark, I'm interested also, my board is a NTGS50AA but I think they are be compatible. Regards, Ignacio EB4APL On 13/09/2013 17:06, Don Latham wrote: Yes, please, Mark and thanks for the offer. I have one of these but haven't got to it yet. Don d'Huson Mark C. Stephens I have a couple o

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Hal Murray
My stashed URL for the 32 metronomes is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWToUATLGzs It's great! Here are a couple more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yysnkY4WHyM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Tim Shoppa
I first read about this is Scientific American a couple decades ago. A slightly different set of clocks become largely synchronized. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Vy7NZTGos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photinus_carolinus On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Magnus Danielson < mag...@rubidium.dyn

Re: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Bob Stewart
It says o9.com is a domain for sale? > > From: Magnus Danielson >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 12:32 PM >Subject: [time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other > > >Fellow time-nuts,

[time-nuts] Example of clocks interlocking with each other

2013-09-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, This little nice example of clocks interlocking just passed by my web-browser: o9.com/5947112/watch-32-discordant-metronomes-achieve-synchrony-in-a-matter-of-minutes?action_type_map={"10153226568265094":"og.likes"}&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_

Re: [time-nuts] nortel trible NTBW50AA boards SCPI command access

2013-09-13 Thread Don Latham
Yes, please, Mark and thanks for the offer. I have one of these but haven't got to it yet. Don d'Huson Mark C. Stephens > I have a couple of these boards and I have modified one to access the > SCPI command port available on the 'Z-Pack' rear connector. > The addition is simple but effective givi

Re: [time-nuts] Thunder Bolt Display...

2013-09-13 Thread quartz55
The thing costs more than my TBolt. Yeah, another pissing constst. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-13 Thread quartz55
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about, I've got enough lifetime supplies of junk around here now. Oddly enough some were replacements for other "lifetime" supplies that got used up…. Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscrib

Re: [time-nuts] HP3048 RMB software

2013-09-13 Thread Adrian
David, it isn't even secret, just a stash of A03.02 bits 'n bytes. Shoot me a PM. Adrian David Hooke schrieb: Hi Folks, This is from the June 1990 version of the HP 3048A System Ops manual: Does anyone have a secret stash of the RMB A.03.0x version? BTW, I now have a fully operational 30

[time-nuts] nortel trible NTBW50AA boards SCPI command access

2013-09-13 Thread Mark C. Stephens
I have a couple of these boards and I have modified one to access the SCPI command port available on the 'Z-Pack' rear connector. The addition is simple but effective giving the TSIP front panel serial port plus the "cellular" serial port. Note that you will now have 2 separate connectors for the

Re: [time-nuts] HP3048 RMB software

2013-09-13 Thread David Hooke
Sorry Folks, I had included an image from the 3048A Ops manual, but it didn't show up in the post. The question remains valid however. Cheers, david Hi Folks, This is from the June 1990 version of the HP 3048A System Ops manual: Does anyone have a secret stash of the RMB A.03.0x versi

[time-nuts] HP3048 RMB software

2013-09-13 Thread David Hooke
Hi Folks, This is from the June 1990 version of the HP 3048A System Ops manual: Does anyone have a secret stash of the RMB A.03.0x version? BTW, I now have a fully operational 3048A, with 3561A, 3585A and 8568B, and sadly, only distant memory of calibration certificates. It's working under

Re: [time-nuts] Thunder Bolt Display...

2013-09-13 Thread Robert Atkinson
Hi, I thought one post was OK (just), but by the third "advert" I thought the questions should be asked. Sorry for lowering the S/N.   Robert G8RPI. From: Burt I. Weiner To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, 13 September 2013, 6:08 Subject: [time-nuts] Thunder

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Voltage?

2013-09-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The issue is the efficiency drop off as the voltage differential goes low. The ebay boards normally don't have any heat sinking on them. The LPRO pulls full current for quite a while when it warms up. Bob On Sep 12, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Orin Eman wrote: > Yes, my reading of the datasheet w

Re: [time-nuts] New NTBW50AA

2013-09-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Unless you have it shipped in, that's pretty much the situation everywhere. I have several lifetime supply spools of this and that. Some of them I bought new. Others I picked up at garage sales, still with a lifetime supply of cable on the spool. Oddly enough some were replacements for other