[time-nuts] active vs passive hydrogen maser long term stability

2013-12-09 Thread Attila Kinali
Hi, I just read [1] and stumbled over a small detail in figure 1, which compares the stabilities of various frequency standards: The stability of active hydrogen masers is higher than the passive ones for short and medium term taus. But for long term, the active maser has a higher variation than

[time-nuts] Attila & Active vs Passive H Masers

2013-12-09 Thread Clive Green
If I may direct you to www.quartzlock.com and the online catalog, you will see specifications of the small H Masers. We have both in use. Nicholai Demidov's paper at EFTF 2012 showed real results of a number of active H maser's with drifts down to E-17 levels One might ask when some benefit will

Re: [time-nuts] temperature

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Quartz Thermometer died when somebody proved that hysteresis was a big deal on the probes. Bob On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote: > Interestingly, HP for a long time sold"quartz thermometers" based around a > probe with a quartz crystal with a well characterized linear temp

Re: [time-nuts] active vs passive hydrogen maser long term stability

2013-12-09 Thread Tom Van Baak
Attila, That diagram looks outdated to me, by 20 to 40 years. See modern plots in: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/2004papers/paper38.pdf The Long-Term Stability of the U.S. Naval Observatory's Masers http://www.ptfinc.com/dsheets/CH1_75A.pdf CH1-75 Active Hydrogen Maser http://www.ptfinc.com/d

Re: [time-nuts] temperature

2013-12-09 Thread Daniel Mendes
It´s still used in the oil industry as "the standard" for temp and pressure monitoring... Daniel Em 09/12/2013 10:28, Bob Camp escreveu: Hi The Quartz Thermometer died when somebody proved that hysteresis was a big deal on the probes. Bob On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] temperature

2013-12-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/9/13 6:12 AM, Daniel Mendes wrote: It´s still used in the oil industry as "the standard" for temp and pressure monitoring... Probably because they're an inherently rugged sensor ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] temperature

2013-12-09 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Any pointers re suitable instruments to accomplish this that can be sourced > via the usual surplus sources would be welcome. > > Thanks in advance > Mark Spencer Hi Mark, Here's a list of the thermometers I use: - Vintage hp 2804. Still my favorite, high-resolution thermometer. I use it in

Re: [time-nuts] temperature

2013-12-09 Thread Azelio Boriani
Is the hysteresis related to the retrace effect? If so, then I think that the quartz thermometer may be succesfully used where the tenperature has only small variations. On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Daniel Mendes wrote: > > It´s still used in the oil industry as "the standard" for temp and pre

[time-nuts] Hp5061A K15 distribution amp

2013-12-09 Thread Don Latham
10 MHz 6 output amps, 1 input amp. Matches 5061A Cs standard. fs, contact me off list please. Don -- "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw -- Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLC 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, M

Re: [time-nuts] Hp5061A K15 distribution amp

2013-12-09 Thread J. Forster
Is this a rebadged 5087A? -John > 10 MHz 6 output amps, 1 input amp. Matches 5061A Cs standard. > fs, contact me off list please. > Don > -- > "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those > who have not got it." > -George Bernard Shaw > -- > Dr. Don Lath

Re: [time-nuts] temperature

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Camp
HI The one currently in use is a *very* different animal than the HP version. Bob On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:12 AM, Daniel Mendes wrote: > > It´s still used in the oil industry as "the standard" for temp and pressure > monitoring... > > Daniel > > Em 09/12/2013 10:28, Bob Camp escreveu: >> Hi >

Re: [time-nuts] temperature

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The way it was spec’d by HP, there was no allowance for hysteresis. They also had some issues with probe drift / calibration costs. They apparently decided to drop the product rather than update it. Bob On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: > Is the hysteresis related to the r

Re: [time-nuts] Hp5061A K15 distribution amp

2013-12-09 Thread Don Latham
Sort of, John. The amplifier modules are not the same, but the chassis is very similar. Don J. Forster > Is this a rebadged 5087A? > > -John > > > > >> 10 MHz 6 output amps, 1 input amp. Matches 5061A Cs standard. >> fs, contact me off list please. >> Don >> -- >> "The power of accura

[time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit doesn't have enough power to run it I got an MS3016R connector to hook up external power.  What I can't figure out is what is that blue plastic pin for that comes in the package? Bob - AE6RV __

[time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: The Wiki page for the Shortt pendulum clock has a "Recent Measurements" (1984) paragraph that's in error. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shortt-Synchronome_clock#Recent_accuracy_measurement While it's probably true that the clock is stable to 200 uS per day (i.e. 2E-9) I believe Alfred Loomi

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-09 Thread Tom Knox
I thought I needed to throw this in the mix. http://www.allanstime.com/Research/Pendulum/index.html Enjoy. Thomas Knox > Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 17:02:22 -0800 > From: bro...@pacific.net > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements > > Hi: > > The Wiki page

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread J. Forster
If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the pin is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time. -John = > I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit doe

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-09 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Brooke, Not sure what you find in error; please explain. I have all the Shortt info you need. Not all of it is for Wikipedia; contact me off-line. Just got back from the CalTech Time Symposium: http://leapsecond.com/nawcc2013/ The conjecture about tides is explained in great detail here: http:

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Take a look at ebay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain r

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread J. Forster
It's what I said. A blanking pin for the hole in the rubber seal, except that it's only for the seal, not the whole connector. -John > Take a look at ebay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I > don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks li

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread Glenn Little
That is a dummy pin to seal a position in the connector that does not have a pin. If all of the pins are installed it is not used. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 07:13 PM 12/9/2013, you wrote: I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit doesn't have enough power to run it I got an M

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
OK,  now it makes sense! thanks! Bob > > From: J. Forster >To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency >measurement >Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question > > >It's what I said. A

Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

2013-12-09 Thread Glenn Little
the ones I have seen take the place of a crimp pin to be inserted into the connector to maintain moisture integrity. With the length, it looks like it would take the place of a wire in the water seal / strain relief, if only one wire were to be used. 73 Glenn Never seen one like that before, A

Re: [time-nuts] Shortt Clock Recent Measurements

2013-12-09 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Tom: The way I read the comment about detecting the influence of the Moon was that it was discovered in 1984, but I was under the impression that Loomis found it long before. I looked on other Wiki pages and did not see on any of the them information about Loomis and the effect of the Moon on