Re: [time-nuts] Lady heather plus NTP server?

2014-01-20 Thread Hal Murray
> Is this possible to do, and if so, can anyone give me some clues as to how? ntpd works fine with Thunderbolts. It's the Palisade driver, 29. If that's not enough of a hint I'll say more. ntpd basically sends a few setup commands to put the TBolt into a mode where it sends packet types X an

[time-nuts] Lady heather plus NTP server?

2014-01-20 Thread ken johnson
I currently have my router/firewall acting as both an NTP client, getting it's time from the net, and an NTP server serving my home network. Now I have my thunderbolt and Lady heather working nicely, I would like to have that machine act as the ntp server for my network, but it appears ntp can't un

Re: [time-nuts] Arduinos in time and near space

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 6:15 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/19/14 10:31 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote: This is why I am a fan of the Teensy3... It's a Freescale micro based on ARM cortex, and fast, low

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 5:57 PM, Robert LaJeunesse wrote: Since most of those cheapo movements are a simple single-coil motor, energized with alternating polarity short pulses, it would seem that there is no need for a "24 hour" movement. You can just have your micro pulse it twice the normal period, but wi

Re: [time-nuts] More Solar Clock Stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Max Robinson
Here's another twist on this which I don't think anyone else has suggested. Make a sun dial with a movable and computer controlled gnomon that corrects for the equation of time and always reads correct mean time. Except on a cloudy day. Regards. Max. K 4 O DS. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.co

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Rex
Jim, I think you missed the main point I was trying to address. It seems that many of the newer quartz movements do not move the second hand in one-second steps. They move it in some way that appears smooth to a human observer. (Even if there is no actual second hand, the same motive issues ne

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Rex
I think there is a slight flaw in slowing the drive to half rate. The hour hand could then go around once in 24 hours, but the minute and second hand movement is halved too. Rather non-intuitive to read unless you only put on the hour hand and make a new 24-hour dial face. On 1/20/2014 5:57 PM

Re: [time-nuts] more solar clock stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Tom Harris
Tim Hunkin has made a similar clock, see http://www.timhunkin.com/27_domestic_clocks.htm The elephant clock down the bottom of the page indicates the moon's phase in a very innovative way. Mind you the night & day sectors are equal, so they are for the equator, not for the maker's lattitude of 50

Re: [time-nuts] Arduinos in time and near space

2014-01-20 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Jim Lux wrote: > On 1/19/14 10:31 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Lizeth Norman > >wrote: >> >> > This is why I am a fan of the Teensy3... It's a Freescale micro based on > ARM cortex, and fast, low power, etc. > > However, I happe

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Since most of those cheapo movements are a simple single-coil motor, energized with alternating polarity short pulses, it would seem that there is no need for a "24 hour" movement. You can just have your micro pulse it twice the normal period, but with the same as normal pulse width(s). Check ou

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather and the NTGS50AA

2014-01-20 Thread EB4APL
Hi Nigel, Yes, I had tried Tboltmon v 2.60 but probably because it was very late and a senior moment I didn't notice the GPSTM tab which precisely have the lights function that I was talking about, thank you for the hint. The capability of turning the lights is not important, it is just aesth

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 3:32 PM, Rex wrote: That listing is a bit vague about if it has a second hand. For the kind of pulse drive that has been discussed here, it seems you would want a definite second capability and step vs. smooth second hand drive. I know nothing except a little web searching, but this o

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Rex
That listing is a bit vague about if it has a second hand. For the kind of pulse drive that has been discussed here, it seems you would want a definite second capability and step vs. smooth second hand drive. I know nothing except a little web searching, but this one seems to have the right fe

Re: [time-nuts] more solar clock stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi My concern was as much for setting an upper cost limit for a one off gizmo. More or less - if I can get something cooler for $100 - would I do that instead? Cool is indeed highly subjective and yes running cost does count at some level. Bob On Jan 20, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Jim Lux wrote: >

[time-nuts] More Solar Clock Stuff

2014-01-20 Thread P Nielsen
Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:49:50 -0800 From: Jim Lux To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] more solar clock stuff Message-ID: <52dd6fce.5060...@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >So here's my next

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Tom Van Baak
> But the current code doesn't try to accumulate errors and adjustments.. > it just looks up the rate from the equation (floating point) and jams it > into the tick generator. Jim, For an application like this it might be best for your EOT table to contain phase, not rate. Your code can adjust

Re: [time-nuts] more solar clock stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 11:00 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I realize this is *exactly* what the OP didn’t want to do, but …. A PI or any of the little dedicated ARM + GPU gizmos driving a cheap junk HDMI monitor or TV would make for a very nice display of all that data… The total cost could still be under $100.

Re: [time-nuts] Arduinos in time and near space

2014-01-20 Thread David J Taylor
From: NeonJohn Hey David, There's an amateur radio program for just that purpose. Several, in fact. Here's one: [] John ___ John, Due to the wretched quoting in Windows Live Mail your comments should actually have been addressed to someone else.

Re: [time-nuts] more solar clock stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Don Latham
I had fun with a Jefferson Mystery Clock (e.g. 370956057565); the synchronous motor can be replaced with a stepper. 1.8 deg per step works out just right for the gearing. it's a gas, and an arduino will drive a simple stepper. Don Jim Lux > So here's my next idea.. > > > Set up a 24 hour movement

[time-nuts] Tourbillon movement watches

2014-01-20 Thread Tom Knox
I hope this will fall within the Time-Nuts interested. I recently spend some time with a neighbor who does ornamental machining and cutting of gems. We got into a discussion of time as an art form. He was telling me about a gentleman in South Centeral Colorado that makes his living making a few

Re: [time-nuts] more solar clock stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I realize this is *exactly* what the OP didn’t want to do, but …. A PI or any of the little dedicated ARM + GPU gizmos driving a cheap junk HDMI monitor or TV would make for a very nice display of all that data… The total cost could still be under $100. With Linux running on the “gizmo” lock

[time-nuts] more solar clock stuff

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
So here's my next idea.. Set up a 24 hour movement (no minute hand) so that you have the sun moving around the dial: at the top at solar noon, with the rate being reasonably constant around the dial(e.g. using the solar clock algorithms developed) Then, have two other pointers or sectored d

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi So really it boils down to : http://www.klockit.com/products/dept-379__sku-bbbii.html Since that already has a full driver on it (battery / oscillator / chip) - you will need to do some surgery to get directly at the stepper motor. (or am I missing something?) Bob On Jan 20, 2014, at 1:1

Re: [time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 10:06 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/19/14 1:51 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Use 24h clocks for best results. They can be had from www.clockkit.com, an excellent source of DIY quartz clock parts. I couldn't find 24hr movements on the clockkit.com site.. where are they? http://www.klockit

[time-nuts] 24 hr clock movements...

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 1:51 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Use 24h clocks for best results. They can be had from www.clockkit.com, an excellent source of DIY quartz clock parts. I couldn't find 24hr movements on the clockkit.com site.. where are they? ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 9:48 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There are *lots* of ways to do any sort of code. I can’t think of any practical problem that has a single unique “best” way to do it. All I’m trying to say is that there is a way to get the job done (to much better accuracy than you need) with what you h

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are *lots* of ways to do any sort of code. I can’t think of any practical problem that has a single unique “best” way to do it. All I’m trying to say is that there is a way to get the job done (to much better accuracy than you need) with what you have. If there’s one way, there must be

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 9:20 AM, Jim Lux wrote: Interestingly, it occurred to me that one could just add a sufficiently large deviation random number to the period each time to dither it. The "rate" changes once per hour (per tvb's EOT routine), so there's 3600 ticks at a given rate. If I were to vary the r

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/20/14 8:48 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If 1) Your table of errors at noon is always good to 0.1 second and it has no cumulative error (you did it on a PC with a fancy math pack). 2) Your timer has a resolution of << 0.1 second. 3) Your basic time source is accurate. (it’s not the issue here)

Re: [time-nuts] Arduinos in time and near space

2014-01-20 Thread NeonJohn
On 01/20/2014 01:23 AM, David J Taylor wrote: > Is it possible to write (assuming the poor little creature would do it) a > piece of code, that given your lat/long, the time and a two line element > set for an orbiting object, such as the ISS, that would give you the > acquisition of signal time

Re: [time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If 1) Your table of errors at noon is always good to 0.1 second and it has no cumulative error (you did it on a PC with a fancy math pack). 2) Your timer has a resolution of << 0.1 second. 3) Your basic time source is accurate. (it’s not the issue here). You will always be right at noon t

[time-nuts] Handar 541 WWV receiver project update

2014-01-20 Thread WAØUZI
Hi, Anyone currently using the Handar 541A receiver and/or have any new information to share since the last posting(s) here on March 8, 2008? Thanks, Jerry WA0UZI ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com

[time-nuts] latest version of arduino solar clock

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
here's the latest version.. I'm not sure the sign is right on the rate adjustment. It will allow a "time set" in two different ways: Unix time as U or conventional time as Tmmddhhmmss I haven't tested it with the mechanical clock yet, but the basic code to control the clock is in tick() and

Re: [time-nuts] Arduinos in time and near space

2014-01-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/19/14 10:31 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Lizeth Norman wrote: Is it possible to write (assuming the poor little creature would do it) a piece of code, that given your lat/long, the time and a two line element set for an orbiting object, such as the ISS, that

Re: [time-nuts] Sine or TTL signal transmission for low phase noise?

2014-01-20 Thread John Miles
> Hi! > > Taking a 10MHz signal from a rubidium clock to an external device it is better > to use 0.5-1Vrms sine wave or TTL? A 75 ohm coaxial cable will be used with > just 1 meter long. In any case the receiver will be made around a unbuffered > gate with self biasing (it seems that the 74AC typ