Re: [time-nuts] MC100LVEL34

2014-02-05 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello John, Did you happen to do any phase noise measurements? Thanks, John W. On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:07 PM, John Pease wrote: > > > > I was wondering how many of you have experience with this > > ECL part from On > > Semi: > >MC100LVEL34 ? > > John, > > I use this part quite a bit. Gre

[time-nuts] MC100LVEL34

2014-02-05 Thread John Pease
> I was wondering how many of you have experience with this > ECL part from On > Semi: >MC100LVEL34 ? John, I use this part quite a bit. Great for 100 MHz distribution in out cold atom systems. Also used it with good luck in dividing the output of a 320 MHz VCSO in a cavity lock servo. Y

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Tim Shoppa
Hal is graphing seconds of offset and seeing 5 seconds worth of shift in one day. Worrying about phase shift across the transformer changing with temperature, is like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic :-) Tim N3QE On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Tom Harris wrote: > For your setup measurin

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Jimmy Burrell
Tom, You sound like a guy who just might have experimented with different core materials for your transformer? Any suggestions for rolling your own? I'd love to hear more about your pulse monitoring/measuring setup if it's something you can share. Thanks, Jimmy... N5SPE > On Feb 5, 2014, at

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Jimmy Burrell
Whoa! That's hilarious... and sort of scary all at the same time :) Thanks for the story, Rick. Jimmy... N5SPE > On Feb 5, 2014, at 12:06 PM, "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" > wrote: > > > >> On 2/5/2014 9:37 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: >> >> Then there is the load side, with who knows what equipm

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Jimmy Burrell
Hal, Thanks for the info. I think I'm going to give it a go. At any rate it's a good excuse to buy another Raspberry pi :) Thanks for the python source too. Looks useful. Jimmy... N5SPE > On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > jimmydb...@gmail.com said: >> Interesting.. I'm as

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Tom Harris
For your setup measuring mains there will be a large phase difference across the transformer. This is due to very many physical properties of the materials, the largest being the magnetic succeptability of the core. Now, this does show a slight temperature dependance. So how do you know that you ar

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna - was receivers in the same box.

2014-02-05 Thread SAIDJACK
Guys, on this subject, we put together and qualified a convenient and complete (fairly) low-cost timing-compatible GPS antenna kit that includes all the mounting materials, 150 feet of cable, all the connectors, and down to the last screw, nut, and bolt everything one would need to mount t

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab and the Adev plot

2014-02-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 04/02/14 11:10, Azelio Boriani wrote: In the second sentence, I make the point that when you take two sample values, at various taus, you really do not average them but rather make their time stability contribution (trigger jitter and resolution) less important relative to the tau between th

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Hal Murray
jimmydb...@gmail.com said: > Interesting.. I'm assuming the green graph is actual voltage and the red > graph is..? The green is the frequency as measured over the last 10 seconds. The red is the long term clock offset in cycles relative to what it would be if the frequency was exactly 60 Hz.

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 2/5/2014 9:37 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Then there is the load side, with who knows what equipment making large swings. This reminds me of the time I visited the John Deere foundry in Waterloo, IA. They had an arc furnace with graphite rods the size of small utility poles. I remember the

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Bill Hawkins
Looking at PG&E's sources of energy, 60% comes from easily controllable sources like gas, nuclear, and hydro. 40% comes from wind, solar, and other that are not so easily regulated. Steam generators can't me moved thermally as fast as winds drop or clouds develop. Then there is the load side, wi

Re: [time-nuts] housing multiple GPS timing receivers in the same box.

2014-02-05 Thread David McGaw
As has been discussed before, a splitter intended for home satellite systems is a cheap solution as they have the bandwidth and the DC pass required. I have one between a couple of Thunderbolts. It powers the antenna and shows antenna OK on both. Using a splitter is better than just a T as i

Re: [time-nuts] housing multiple GPS timing receivers in the same box.

2014-02-05 Thread mike cook
Le 5 févr. 2014 à 01:52, saidj...@aol.com a écrit : > Michael, > > use a simple BNC T-splitter. Works perfectly for me as long as both GPS > carry the same antenna voltage. No loss in signal quality evident from the > C/No readings, and dirt-cheap. No need to over-complicate this. > > bye,

Re: [time-nuts] ECL Discussion: The On Semi MC100LVEL34 (/2/4/8 Prescaler/Divider)

2014-02-05 Thread Alex Pummer
Hello Mr. Westmoreland Yes we know that part and used in the past in many application in the previous incarnation from Motorola. Interestingly the older 5V parts were faster see the old Motorola datasheet, also for some reason the AZM parts were also faster, any goo explanation for that? R

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz power glitch, US West coast (Silicon Valley)

2014-02-05 Thread Jimmy Burrell
Hal, Interesting.. I'm assuming the green graph is actual voltage and the red graph is..? I've never done any mains monitoring/measuring and was wondering, what's your equipment setup? Thanks, Jimmy... N5SPE > On Feb 4, 2014, at 8:43 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > This one caught my eye. >

Re: [time-nuts] clock and cannon at noon story

2014-02-05 Thread Joe Leikhim
Maybe he became hard of hearing and started observing the muzzle flash? -- Joe Leikhim Leikhim and Associates Communications Consultants Oviedo, Florida jleik...@leikhim.com 407-982-0446 WWW.LEIKHIM.COM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@fe

Re: [time-nuts] clock and cannon at noon story

2014-02-05 Thread Tom Holmes
In a somewhat contorted way, isn't this the same basic method that the national standards institutes use to keep their time ( and other standards) coordinated? No flames, please, I'm just kidding. Tom Holmes, N8ZM -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bou

Re: [time-nuts] ADEV computed, now what?

2014-02-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, I've had a night to digest what I'm seeing, and this is what I've come up with: There were only 2 updates to the DAC during the 24 hours tested.  So, long term doesn't system drift dominate?  That would include thermal drift and the stability of the OCXO.  Also, there was a phase cr

Re: [time-nuts] ADEV computed, now what?

2014-02-05 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bob wrote: here's the result for 1PPS vs 10MHz for my GPSDO, as measured by a 5334B clocked by the same 10MHz.I don't know how to read these, but 6,3,1,6,3,1 etc. doesn't look normal. The adev results you obtained look very much like the "adev" results reported by Lady Heather, very like

Re: [time-nuts] clock and cannon at noon story

2014-02-05 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Michael Blazer wrote: > Wouldn't the watchmaker notice that his clock is always a few seconds > fast? If the cannon is a mile away, the watchmaker would be adjusting the > clock so that 'noon' would sound around tea time after about 10 years. > Now THAT is serious