Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread J. L. Trantham
Ed, If I have the math correct, and you are measuring the voltage to ground through a 10 MegOhm input impedance DMM, you have about 7.5 nA beam current which seems a bit low compared to what I remember of the HP 5061A. However, you still have a definable 'peak' with a 'peak to valley' voltage of

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread paul swed
I will agree with Joe. I have a CS tube thats darn near impossible to read the beam current and yet it still locks. That truly amazes me. I seem to recall other comments ages ago about that chip failing. There should be a way to emulate it these days with all of the DDS chips and such that are avai

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS module for < 100ns timestamping error

2014-05-05 Thread Tony
On 03/05/2014 18:41, Tom Van Baak (lab) wrote: Tony, Chris, Bert, Since all you want is a 10 ns time stamp / data logger you do not need a GPSDO, or OCXO, or VCXO. The solution is cheap and very simple. Your GPS receiver provides a 1PPS to the microprocessor. Use a plain XO or TCXO; the freq

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS module for < 100ns timestamping error

2014-05-05 Thread Tom Van Baak
> The data loggers will be continuously powered, in fixed locations > and should have reasonably good views of the sky so the use of a low > cost GPS module should be feasible. Hi Tony, Ah, now you are asking a completely different question. When you started this thread you didn't mention anyt

Re: [time-nuts] New timing receivers?

2014-05-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom, Any progress on the Adafruit PPS study? (Hope this isn't a dupe.  Yahoo's mail scripts have problems today.) Bob > > From: Tom Van Baak >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 1:56 PM >Subject: Re: [time-n

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Ed, On 05/05/2014 07:45 AM, Ed Palmer wrote: I'm playing with my first Cs standard. It's a Datum 4065A which appears to have a dead STEL-1173 synthesizer. Before I put too much effort into replacing that, I thought I'd check the tube and see if it has any life left. I've attached a chart s

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS module for < 100ns timestamping error

2014-05-05 Thread nuts
On Mon, 05 May 2014 14:55:20 +0100 Tony wrote: > On 03/05/2014 18:41, Tom Van Baak (lab) wrote: > > Tony, Chris, Bert, > > > > Since all you want is a 10 ns time stamp / data logger you do not > > need a GPSDO, or OCXO, or VCXO. > > > > The solution is cheap and very simple. > > > > Your GPS rece

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Joe, I didn't realize that the info in the 5061A manual was somewhat 'generic'. Thanks for the pointer. On 5/5/2014 6:20 AM, J. L. Trantham wrote: Ed, If I have the math correct, and you are measuring the voltage to ground through a 10 MegOhm input impedance DMM, you have about 7.5 nA be

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Ed Palmer
I know very little about today's DDS chips, but I think that emulating the STEL-1173 would be a challenge. It provides 48 bit frequency resolution. I counted 13 different frequencies that are used to monitor the signal to make sure that it's on frequency. Based on the manual, they were shifti

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Is this the right chip: http://www.oemstrade.com/search/STEL-1173%252FCL/ At $65 it is pricy but a bargain if it fixes your clock. Thomas Knox > Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 15:14:16 -0600 > From: ed_pal...@sasktel.net > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Ed, On 05/05/2014 10:56 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: Hi Joe, I didn't realize that the info in the 5061A manual was somewhat 'generic'. Thanks for the pointer. On 5/5/2014 6:20 AM, J. L. Trantham wrote: Ed, If I have the math correct, and you are measuring the voltage to ground through a 10 MegOhm

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Tom, Yes, that's the right chip, but the 'L' at the end means it's the DIP package. The PLCC package has an 'M' instead of the 'L'. I also found a lot of sellers on a far east site who have the DIP package (probably used chips pulled from sockets), but none who have the PLCC package. Th

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Ed: Some links to the related patents are on my 4060 & 4065 web page: http://www.prc68.com/I/FTS4060.shtml#Pat Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html Magnus Danielson wrote: Ed, On 05/05/2014 10:56 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: Hi Joe, I d

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Magnus, On 5/5/2014 3:30 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Ed, On 05/05/2014 10:56 PM, Ed Palmer wrote: Hi Joe, I didn't realize that the info in the 5061A manual was somewhat 'generic'. Thanks for the pointer. On 5/5/2014 6:20 AM, J. L. Trantham wrote: Ed, If I have the math correct, and yo

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread EWKehren
The original price of the STEL1173CL was $ 125 in quantity 10 so $ 65 is a bargain. I have no idea as to how it is used in the 4065A but if it is limited to 13 frequencies it may be worth wile to take a look at the AD 9913 it is capable to produce very precise frequencies exceeding its 32 bi

Re: [time-nuts] Datum 4065A Cs Tube Response

2014-05-05 Thread Daniel Mendes
The datasheet can be easily found with google. The functionality is very simple, it could be emulated with a CPLD+small memory or with an small FPGA (maybe the newer CPLDs from Altera.. they are FPGAs inside... and I think they have block RAM). But if you can still buy it in another package i

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS module for < 100ns timestamping error

2014-05-05 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Tony wrote: > > Yes - that is exactly what I intended. The problem though is maintaining > sufficient accuracy during periods when the GPS clock is unavailable or > unreliable (perhaps due to local interference), but I don't have any handle > on how long that may b