[time-nuts] Update on my Arduino GPSDO / NTP server - going atomic

2014-07-29 Thread Andrew Rodland
Hi all, After a couple years not doing anything except letting it sit in my den and provide time for my home network, I've decided to start hacking on my hobby project again. For reference, what I've got right now is a Freetronics EtherMega (ATMega2560-based Arduino clone with integrated W5100 et

[time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread br...@ko4bb.com
Recently I have been comparing the phase noise of the HOlzworth HX4210 and the LTC7957-4. I have found that the performance of these devices is comparable with a 10MHz sinewave input with a PN noise floor below -160dBc/Hz. For offsets below 100Hz the LTC6957-4 is quieter and for offsets below 50Hz

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
You alternate LTC7957-4 and LTC6957-4 and it is only the later that exists. The LTC6957-4 has a single-stage amplifier stage input, with somewhat programmable bandwidth. I assume you used the 50 MHz BW setting. Cheers, Magnus On 07/29/2014 10:55 AM, br...@ko4bb.com wrote: Recently I have bee

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread br...@ko4bb.com
Sorry, I meant the LTC6957-4 of course._SELA = l FILTA = L FILTB = H ie an input stage BW of 160MHz as recommended for a 10MHz + 10dBm input. Input for the HX4210 was +14dBm. Comparator was that used in David Partridge's programmable divider (includes the 74AC04 buffers). Bruce > On July 29, 20

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread David C. Partridge
Bruce, Thank you, that was very useful information. If I ever do a re-spin of the divider I will likely use the LTC6957-3 or -4 instead of the ADCMP600 (I would need interest for at least 40 boards to be able to do this at anything like an economic price). Will you be putting the full details

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread David C. Partridge
Further to my previous post: I note that the LTC6957 is 3.3V CMOS rather than 5V. Do you have a recommmendation for a level converter to 5V logic? Would a 74AC04 using a 5V supply cope well enough in that role or is there a better solution? Regards, David Partridge -Original Message- F

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 29.07.2014 um 13:38 schrieb David C. Partridge: Further to my previous post: I note that the LTC6957 is 3.3V CMOS rather than 5V. Do you have a recommmendation for a level converter to 5V logic? Would a 74AC04 using a 5V supply cope well enough in that role or is there a better solution?

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread br...@ko4bb.com
However that will increase the signal transition times to significanly greater than the 300ps seen at the LTC6957 output. Bruce > On July 29, 2014 at 7:54 AM Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > > > Am 29.07.2014 um 13:38 schrieb David C. Partridge: > > Further to my previous post: > > > > I note that the

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread br...@ko4bb.com
I merely used the evaluation board which has a capacitively coupled input. The transformer coupled input circuit using a 1:4 (turns ratio) step up transformer as depicted on the datasheet should reduce the PN floor by at least 3dB for 10MHz input. Bruce > On July 29, 2014 at 7:30 AM "David C. Part

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 29.07.2014 um 14:47 schrieb br...@ko4bb.com: However that will increase the signal transition times to significanly greater than the 300ps seen at the LTC6957 output. I had standard sot23/sc70 Fairchild single cmos gates with rise/fall times faster than 500ps. Gerhard ___

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
One could possibly use another transistor pair in front of this one. For lower rate signals, it is a great "finalizer" solution to a step-wise increase in bandwidth and slew-rate. Cheers, Magnus On 07/29/2014 02:54 PM, br...@ko4bb.com wrote: I merely used the evaluation board which has a cap

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hej Bruce, Many thanks for the clarification! This could be an alternate input stage to the TADD-2 too. Cheers, Magnus On 07/29/2014 12:59 PM, br...@ko4bb.com wrote: Sorry, I meant the LTC6957-4 of course._SELA = l FILTA = L FILTB = H ie an input stage BW of 160MHz as recommended for a 10MHz

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread Vasco Soares
Hi, What comparator did you use in your evaluation? An 74AC04, 74AC14 or other LT, AD, etc? Regards, Vasco Soares - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:55 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise Recently I have been comparing t

[time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: The next GPS Launch

2014-07-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
Fellow time-nuts, Things will shift in the sky. Lot's of changes. SVN-33 is being decommissioned after 17.5 years of operation, with a 7 years designed lifetime, that's 2.5 times the operational lifetime, and it's being decommissioned in a controlled fashion. Respect. Cheers, Magnus --

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: The next GPS Launch

2014-07-29 Thread John Allen
Hi Magnus et al - just FYI: 2 1/2 times the design lifetime is not unusual for satellites. More of the Ham Oscar satellites have exceeded their lifetime by that much or more. (Sorry, no facts handy). It saves us USA taxpayers money when they last that long! Regards, John K1AE   Original Mes

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: The next GPS Launch

2014-07-29 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: And the manufacturer gets an annual bonus. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html John Allen wrote: Hi Magnus et al - just FYI: 2 1/2 times the design lifetime is not unusual for satell

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: The next GPS Launch

2014-07-29 Thread Magnus Danielson
John, It has delayed the launching of birds, as the old ones does not die of quick enough for the planned schematic to maintain 24 birds, instead we see 30-32 birds active for many years, and some being "off air" backups. On the other hand, it gives more time to adjust the new birds with new

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: CGSIC: FW: The next GPS Launch

2014-07-29 Thread Chris Albertson
Lasting longer should be no surprise. The design spec in years is NOT the mean time before failure. It is more like the 4-sigma time before failure. It is so far out there that many times what kills them finally is running out of propellent. "Design lifetime" is kind of a misleading term. O

Re: [time-nuts] Sine to square wave converter Phase Noise

2014-07-29 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Put an L network in front of a biased NC7SZ04 running off of 5V and you should get a floor that’s ~ -170 dbc/Hz at 10 MHz. $0.34 each at quantity =1 at Mouser. The L network is set up to “what ever it takes” to give you 5V p-p on the gate input. The load termination on the L acts as the 50 o

[time-nuts] Lightning for time-transfer... now also positioning...

2014-07-29 Thread Björn
Hi, A followup on Tom's thread on blixtortnung (lightning location) and the possible use of lightning as a time transfer method. It seems Darpa is reseaching positioning based on lightning. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/gps-not-working-try-using-lightning-to-find-your-way-e75144bcf4dd /Björ