Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Your ADEV is (mostly) a plot of 1-2 ns resolution out over your sample range. It’s not a “typical” three segment ADEV. It’s more likely that any departure from a straight line is random rather than systematic. Yes I’ve spent a lot of time looking at random plots that I was *sure* had

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 5240amp;In-Reply-To

2014-09-02 Thread Alexandre Kachler
Hi, I just bought a OSA 5240, did you still have the management software? If yes can you provide me a copy? Alex ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I take it that the 3 segment ADEV pretty much defines a GPSDO. So, is my plot an indication that I'm riding the OCXO too hard to get the results I think I should be getting? What I think I should be getting is a flat phase line. But is a GPS receiver, even after applying

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Adrian, Actually no. This ADEV is a plot of the sawtooth-corrected 1PPS signal from the GPS receiver (LEA-6T) measured by the TIC in my GPSDO against the output of its OCXO. Bob From: Adrian rfn...@arcor.de To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Adrian
Bob, to me your ADEV plot looks pretty exactly like a measurement system noise floor plot with its typical 10/decade shape. I would assume that you connected the same signal to both counter inputs, or, both sources have been phase locked. Adrian Bob Stewart schrieb: Hi Bob, I take it that

[time-nuts] Oscilloquartz OSA 5240

2014-09-02 Thread Alexandre Kachler
Hi, I scored yesterday by a local seller some interesting GPSDO from Ocilloquartz. The box is powering up, I have all output signals but I'm not sure if the sync with the GPS is currently working because all front led are red. I checked the GPS board and I have the 1PPS signal. So I search

[time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread Dan Rae
I'm sure this has been discussed to death before, but does anyone know of a source of thermal fuses small enough to fit in the -hp- 10811? I have found plenty of larger ones, none of which will fit and would rather not just link it out. Dan ___

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Well, in that case you do measure a form of noise-floor rather than measuring the OCXO performance, as OCXO performance is being corrected out in the PPS position (and sawtooth-correction). If you want to measure that OCXO performance, you need to do that against an independent PPS. Cheers,

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread Mike Feher
I would just put in a piece of wire. They mostly only fail due to age. The wax inside the fuse loosens up over time and then, eventualy, the two meatal strips open up. Regards - Mike Mike B. Feher, EOZ Inc. 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell, NJ, 07731 732-886-5960 office 908-902-3831 cell -Original

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Magnus, I knew I was missing something! I'll warm up the Rb and test against that again. Thanks! Bob From: Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob, Sounds like a plan! Love to see your new data. Cheers, Magnus On 09/02/2014 10:46 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: Hi Magnus, I knew I was missing something! I'll warm up the Rb and test against that again. Thanks! Bob From: Magnus Danielson

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread davidh
Dan, On Ebay you'll find a seller called newdeparture2010 who has a good range of fuses. He saved me a bucket load of money when I needed replacement LittleFuses to repair my 11848A, before I learnt the right way to apply the K23 to power supply measurements. Cheers. david On 3/09/2014

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bob, Just realized I forgot to mention this... As you have sawtooth data, one fun way to compare the GPS-OCXO is just use the sawtooth data and then let TimeLab do the phase-unwrapping on that. This will however not give good characterization of the stability of the PPS output, which is

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread Adrian
Dan, I found the following thermal fuse: ESKA/Tamura model E3F Check http://www.buerklin.com/ and type 30G4574 into the search field. Model E3F is rated 115 Deg C with a normal operating temperature of up to 85 Deg C. See also

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are a lot of GPSDO ADEV plots out there. The T-Bolt has a lot of plots run on it, there are others. Ideally the plot should start out looking like an OCXO: 1) Left hand side rising as you go left. Rate of rise 1/Tau. 2) Left hand side intersecting a flat region somewhere in the 0.1 to

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread Dan Rae
On 9/2/2014 12:23 PM, Dan Rae wrote: I'm sure this has been discussed to death before, but does anyone know of a source of thermal fuses small enough to fit in the -hp- 10811? I have found plenty of larger ones, none of which will fit and would rather not just link it out. Dan

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread Dave Daniel
I believe a thermal cut-out is a device which interrupts the circuit when a prescribed temperature is reached or exceeded (in some cases by heating from an increase in current through a conductor), but which re-connects the circuit once the temperature has dropped below the cut-out

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The gotcha of using a telecom Rb is that it (probably) has a worse ADEV than a good GPSDO out to somewhere in the 100 second range. It also (probably) isn’t going to do much good in the 20,000 seconds range either. Much easier to just build two or three GPSDO’s…. at least then you can

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Phase Noise Measurement in Primitive Conditions

2014-09-02 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, Thanks for the review. I thought I knew a good deal of that, and promptly forgot it in the heat of battle. Here's a plot of about 8,000 samples vs my trusty FE-5680A. The blue is the OCXO output vs the Rb as measured on my 5335A w/10811 clock. The red is the OCXO vs corrected 1PPS

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread Mike Feher
This type of cutout fuse can never re-connect. It is a very clever design where there are two metal strips in contact with each other that have springiness to them, so, they would normally not be in contact. During assembly, the fuse cavity is filled with a waxy material, consistency dependent

Re: [time-nuts] [Bulk] Re: 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread J. L. Trantham
The original fuse, per the 10811 manual, is P/N 10811-80008 which Keysight lists as obsolete. The part description lists it as 'Fuse-Thermal 115C 1.0A 250V', which I interpret to be 115 degrees C. Hope this helps. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Thermal fuse?

2014-09-02 Thread David McGaw
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