Re: [time-nuts] Time tagging fpga

2014-11-22 Thread Anders Wallin
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Robert Darby wrote: > I finally got the time tagging fpga I was playing with to a semi-usable > state. I mentioned in an earlier post that I was unable to compile or link > the FTDI library but Magnus Karlsson very kindly rewrote a program of his > to provide me

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz LTE-Lite

2014-11-22 Thread david
Said and List, My 20Meg Lite arrived yesterday. It is a beautiful beast, and well made. It was also well packaged, which was no bad thing because the box bore all the signs of having been run over by the truck. A few times. But it is working nicely (I think) and I'm looking forward to experimentin

Re: [time-nuts] Time tagging fpga

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The key point - it’s a counter after a mixer. You don’t need the fancy delay line / multiple delay line / strange pulse down the delay line stuff in this case. You also don’t wind up with odd algorithms to count bits and determine when a gap really is a gap. In the mix down case, a system ru

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 - any gotchas buying a used one?

2014-11-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
David, Do download the manual. Consider getting the hardprint manual. The minumum you can expect of a seller is that they power the unit on, and it should not show an error on start-up. You can try to ask for them to do the performance check in the manual. If the frequency measure is somewhat

Re: [time-nuts] Time tagging fpga

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Does the FPGA directly put out something that Time Lab understands? > On Nov 21, 2014, at 10:37 PM, Robert Darby wrote: > > I finally got the time tagging fpga I was playing with to a semi-usable > state. I mentioned in an earlier post That post seems to have gone astray before it got her

Re: [time-nuts] SR620 - any gotchas buying a used one?

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The one that I *always* forget: It has a fan. Who knows where it’s been. Pop the top and clean out any dust packed into the inside of the beast. It’s very easy to get used to gear that’s been in clean environments and get blind sided by the one that lived on the planet dust world. Bob >

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5342A (18 GHz) vs 5352B (40 GHz) frequency counters

2014-11-22 Thread Scott McGrath
I've got a few of the 5342s their weak point is the sampler. It can be fixed if you have a die bonder all of mine have the option 1 which is either a 10544 or 10811 depending on vintage The 535x series are nice counters I've got a couple. The bad thing is parts are even less available because

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 24V DC power requirements

2014-11-22 Thread Graham
Thank you all for the answer to my query. cheers, Graham ve3gtc On 2014-11-21 21:17, Bob Camp wrote: Hi We’ve been around this one before. The KS boxes are powered by a switcher brick inside the box. There’s not a lot of reason go super crazy on the DC input. It’s fully isolated from the cas

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 24V DC power requirements

2014-11-22 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > We’ve been around this one before. The KS boxes are powered by a switcher > brick inside the box. There’s not a lot of reason go super crazy on the DC > input. It’s fully isolated from the case ground. Even leakage / stray > grounds should

Re: [time-nuts] Time tagging fpga

2014-11-22 Thread Robert Darby
Anders, The counter runs on a Pipistrello. I looked at the information on the web about time taggers before starting. I decided to try an oversampling scheme described by a group of Italian? physicists for a multichannel time tagging instrument. They used 4x oversampling. My version is c

Re: [time-nuts] Time tagging fpga

2014-11-22 Thread Robert Darby
Anders, I believe the CERN carry chain idea was described in a 2006 paper " A High-Resolution Time to Digital Converter Implemented in Field Programmable Gate Arrays", Jian Song, Qi An, and Shubin Liu. Might be interesting to compare the two implementations. Bob Darby On 11/22/2014 3:12 AM

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz LTE-Lite

2014-11-22 Thread Jim Sanford
Has anyone yet come up with a buffer circuit for the 1MOhm outputs to drive 50 Ohms? 73, Jim wb4...@amsast.org On 11/22/2014 7:01 AM, david wrote: Said and List, My 20Meg Lite arrived yesterday. It is a beautiful beast, and well made. It was also well packaged, which was no bad thing because t

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz LTE-Lite

2014-11-22 Thread Jim Sanford
Said: Just ordered a second 10 MHz board for my rover station 73, Jim wb4...@amsat.org On 11/20/2014 3:32 PM, S. Jackson via time-nuts wrote: Hello everyone, after what must have been the longest thread in T-nuts history its almost all quiet today. I am going to take advantage of that a

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz LTE-Lite

2014-11-22 Thread paul swed
Ok give it a week for the magic to wear off.Then its time to hack. I am sort of headed into that mode. The system draws what I would technically call squat for power. Hmm wonder how thats measured VA watts?? Locks pretty darn fast and recovers pretty fast. But you do always go through the survey. N

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz LTE-Lite

2014-11-22 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Hi Paul, Jim, David, Let me address all your emails: Glad you got your boards. $50 in overseas additional charges from your post office sucks! Some hints for experimenting from what I have learned: You definitely want to build a 50 Ohms buffer for the 10MHz boards and the synthesized outputs

[time-nuts] LTE lite questions

2014-11-22 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Nigel, CC'ing time nuts.. R2 and R3 are stuffing options, see the schematics in the user manual. Typically you don't have to solder anything. The default is set for the low-noise 3.0V to be fed to the DIP-14 tcxo for best performance. On your question on removing the SMT Tcxo, this is not easy

Re: [time-nuts] update on LTE-Lite

2014-11-22 Thread GandalfG8--- via time-nuts
Hi Said, Many thanks for your reply. I'd realised that R2 and R3 were in the paths of alternative power feeds but had managed to convince myself that both resistors were shown to be fitted in your auction photos, although I can now see quite clearly that whilst R2 is fitted, R3 isn't, wh

Re: [time-nuts] ocxo

2014-11-22 Thread Don Latham
Hi Bob: no. cobble, not double :-) A little research has me thinking I can easily adapt a morion. I can try it at least by starting with the morion on an external power supply and patching the output and control voltages in to the sr. The sr620 has a control circuit which apparently accomplishes

[time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread Jim Sanford
All: Received my LTE-Lite and ready to play, EXCEPT, I'm in the basement. Does anyone know if the antenna which the ebay purveyor of the Nortel Thunderbolts supplies will work on the 3.3 volts coming out of the LTE Lite? (I measured the Nortel, it puts 4.95 volts on the coax.) That antenna

[time-nuts] rs-422 rs-232 to fast ethernet converter

2014-11-22 Thread Graham
I have been contemplating how I will would like to interface to the KS-23461 devices using rs-422. One option is a rs-422 to USB cable. Seems easy enough. But another option I keep stumbling across is a rs-422/rs-232 to fast ethernet such as: http://www.transition.com/TransitionNetworks/Prod

Re: [time-nuts] rs-422 rs-232 to fast ethernet converter

2014-11-22 Thread Don Latham
This kind of device is great, works fine, but hold on to your wallet! I'd look on epaY for something like this... If bought new, it'll cost more than the KS... Don Graham > I have been contemplating how I will would like to interface to the > KS-23461 devices using rs-422. > > One option is a rs-4

Re: [time-nuts] rs-422 rs-232 to fast ethernet converter

2014-11-22 Thread Brent Gordon
I haven't used this particular model. I have used similar units from Systech, purchased on eBay for less than $30 US. They work quite well. Some of them have selectable RS-232/RS-485 outputs. I've successfully used both types of outputs. The only problem I've had was the initial configurat

Re: [time-nuts] ocxo

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi At least the Morion’s I have seen have 5 MHz crystals in them rather than 10 MHz. They have a 10 MHz output due to an internal doubler. Since the circuit is not perfect, there is cycle to cycle variation in the 10 MHz. It’s way more jitter (measured in picoseconds) than the oscillator has du

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Pretty much all of the “timing” GPS antennas want to see 5V to work properly. About the only thing I’ve seen that likes 3.3V are the modern mag mount antennas. Bob > On Nov 22, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Jim Sanford wrote: > > All: > > Received my LTE-Lite and ready to play, EXCEPT, I'm in the b

Re: [time-nuts] rs-422 rs-232 to fast ethernet converter

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you go the auction site route, be careful of the boxes that have a password on them that can not easily be reset. Back when they were new, a trip back to the factory would reset the password. These days - no more support on the older boxes. The same caution applies to some of the older Ci

Re: [time-nuts] rs-422 rs-232 to fast ethernet converter

2014-11-22 Thread Chris Albertson
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Graham wrote: > I have been contemplating how I will would like to interface to the > KS-23461 devices using rs-422. > > One option is a rs-422 to USB cable. Seems easy enough. > > But another option I keep stumbling across is a rs-422/rs-232 to fast > ethernet su

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Jim, try it out. Check the C/No values in the GPGSV NMEA messages. If they are over 40dB, then it works just fine and there is no need to over-think the issue.. bye, Said In a message dated 11/22/2014 16:39:55 Pacific Standard Time, kb...@n1k.org writes: Hi Pretty much all of the “t

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 Ref1 burnin after 1.8 weeks

2014-11-22 Thread paul swed
It is getting better today about 80-90 count positive. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > I’ve posted a couple of phase plots of a few of the KS-24361 compared to a > 5071A and to each other via a TimePod. Since phase is essentially time, > it’s a good way to get an idea o

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 Ref1 burnin after 1.8 weeks

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Since the data comes out of the box in percent, the whole “counts” thing is a bit of a fiction. The conversion to counts or bits was done based on observations of earlier boxes. That conversion may or may not apply to the 3810/11/12’s. Right now, there’s no reason to think that it’s wrong fo

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Hi Jim, not much harm should come to the 5V antenna if driven at only 3.3V. However if you feed 5V into the LTE Lite antenna port then bad things will happen because it will back-feed into the 3.3V power rail, and possible damage some of the 3.3V parts on the PCB. Running a 3.3V antenna por

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite Antenna

2014-11-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi > On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:14 PM, S. Jackson via time-nuts > wrote: > > Hi Jim, > > not much harm should come to the 5V antenna if driven at only 3.3V. > > However if you feed 5V into the LTE Lite antenna port then bad things will > happen because it will back-feed into the 3.3V power rail,

Re: [time-nuts] update on LTE-Lite

2014-11-22 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Nigel, I would not worry too much about the RTV, more about damaging the nice TCXO. That part is by far the most expensive and valuable component on the boards. It's not your good old $10 style TCXO.. We were not aware and did not know of the beat frequency causing some spurs until the d

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 Ref1 burnin after 1.8 weeks

2014-11-22 Thread paul swed
Thanks I just like the idea that its leveling out instead of always climbing. Granted there are all these noisy spikes but I think thats just the way it is and most likely not bad at all. Its very steady against the Z3801. By that I mean on a scope at 5ns/div I might guess its 8 hours to move a div

Re: [time-nuts] ocxo

2014-11-22 Thread Don Latham
Ah. Got it finally! Doh. Just finished trying out the Morion this afternoon. Electrically works very well. Used a 7812 to drop the +15 volts from the option 1 ocxo, there is enough power headroom to bring the Morion up from cold and run it comfortably. As you said, the control voltage for the orig