Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Bill Hawkins
Wow! That reference is a nugget of pure gold amongst the chaff. As a mechanical engineer by training (BSME MIT 1960) and experience (industrial process control), I am deeply interested in electromechanical things. Experience suggests that it is impossible for widely separated pendulum clocks to

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
Alex, Now it's time to share some of my favorite vintage time frequency links. Some very nice vintage low frequency quartz crystals (20 kHz down to 5 kHz): http://www.cdvandt.org/luminous_quartz.htm Lothar Rohde's revolutionary portable quartz-clock type: CFQ http://www.cdvandt.org/CFQ.pdf

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread David J Taylor
Hi Tom dividing down wasn't always necessary I have sample from the UK GPO Crystal Factory of NT-cut bars, quartz tuning fork, and Gapped Ring crystals, the latter marked 400cps (pre Hertz :-)) ) I think these are post WWII because they are mounted in IO base GT style tube envelopes. Dividers

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The speed of sound in quartz varies by axis, but only by about 2:1. The same basic physics that gets you a fundamental 5 MHz crystal that is at thickness Z gives you some dimension on a 5 KHz crystal that’s close to 1000 * Z. Very low frequency crystals pretty much have to be designed so

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Alan Melia
Hi David yes I think I have seen similar but not as low as that. If you compare the suspension points the different vibrational mode should obvious.the suspension point is at a node. I think some of these are quite difficult to excite, I have not seen any suggested circuits but I have not

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Chuck Harris
Similarly, the Tektronix 647 oscilloscope, uses a 4KHz quartz crystal oscillator, divided by 4 to form its 1KHz calibrator signal. You can hear the crystal resonate whenever the calibrator is turned on. The crystal is mounted in an elongated, hermetically sealed, HC7 style can. -Chuck Harris

Re: [time-nuts] Four questions on Datum PRS-50

2015-01-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Get the FTS4065C manual, which is applicable to the PRS-50 according to page 2. There is also a software you can run to monitor the state of the Cesium-core, but the manual gives you enough details to roll your own if you enjoy doing that. We recently touched on that for the PRS-45 some time

[time-nuts] Javascript Countdown to the Leapsecond Nixie Clock

2015-01-10 Thread Kiwi Geoff
Tom t...@leapsecond.com wrote a few days ago: Here's a nixie clock using javascript. It includes a leap second count down which is now active: http://leapsecond.com/java/nixie.htm I have always been fascinated with Tom's delightful Nixie Clocks - how clever ! When I ran the above link a

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/9/15 4:57 PM, Henry Hallam wrote: Such slewing solutions are OK for Google. They wouldn't work well for one of the systems I work with, which uses system time to calculate the position of a LEO satellite for purpose of pointing a 7.6 meter X-band dish. Half a second of error corresponds

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The mounting points are the standard locations for a flexure bar running the resonance along it’s length. The sandwich blank is a bit unique. The normal gate feedback style circuits will get the crystal running. The impedance will be quite high, so you will need a bit of gain. At low

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread David J Taylor
Hi David yes I think I have seen similar but not as low as that. If you compare the suspension points the different vibrational mode should obvious.the suspension point is at a node. I think some of these are quite difficult to excite, I have not seen any suggested circuits but I have not

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Neville Michie
Back in about 1962 I joined a government research lab. My boss had bought a HP voltmeter (I remember it as being about a yard cubed) and a HP printer (also a yard cubed) and it printed out on 2 inch wide paper, like a cash register record. My boss's problem was that he wanted more precision in

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/10/15 1:25 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Which is why we use TAI in the space business and don't fool with this Greenwich Mean Time or Coordinated Universal Time which is discontinuous and potentially non-monotonic. Does the system clock on your PCs run on TAI or do

Re: [time-nuts] TDS12 (AKA PRS10) use indication.

2015-01-10 Thread Hans Holzach
mike, i have a prs-10, software version 3.15, serial number 5351. default lock mode is 1, default time offset is 0. the fc values have been written to the EEPROM twice in the last 20 hours. fc!? returns 233,1426,1640,1647. hans I have a SR TDS12 which apart from name appears to be a

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: You can see the 4 nodes on the Chinese Spouting bowl in my video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k68w3OrPztE When I got it from Cliff Stoll he had recommended using a wet towel to keep the bowl from moving but that damped the vibrations. I got 4 stick-on feet and placed them at the

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Hal Murray
hol...@hotmail.com said: Basically the solenoid nudged the pendulum There was an article in Scientific American many years ago. They used a magnet mounted on the end of a stick attached to the pendulum arm. The arc of the magnet swung through a hole in the middle of a solenoid coil. A

[time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Mark Sims
Many years ago I built a GPSDPO (GPS Disciplined Pendulum Oscillator). A friend of mine inherited a grandfather clock built in the late 1700's. She had the movement cleaned and serviced and got the clock working fairly well, but it was not all that accurate. I built up a device using a

Re: [time-nuts] June 30 2015 leap second

2015-01-10 Thread Hal Murray
jim...@earthlink.net said: Which is why we use TAI in the space business and don't fool with this Greenwich Mean Time or Coordinated Universal Time which is discontinuous and potentially non-monotonic. Does the system clock on your PCs run on TAI or do they have a separate clock for space

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/10/15 3:08 PM, Hal Murray wrote: hol...@hotmail.com said: Basically the solenoid nudged the pendulum There was an article in Scientific American many years ago. They used a magnet mounted on the end of a stick attached to the pendulum arm. The arc of the magnet swung through a hole in

Re: [time-nuts] Mechanical 1PPS Oscillator Disciplining

2015-01-10 Thread DaveH
Science Madness has a PDF of the book - Projects for the Amateur Scientist by SciAm columnist C.L. Stong. The pendulum is on page 290 http://www.sciencemadness.org/library/books/projects_for_the_amateur_scienti st.pdf Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts