Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt question, splitting its output.

2015-03-27 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Chris wrote: can I T off the T/Thunderbolt 10MHz feed to this board and take a second sine wave output direct from the Thunderbolt, to drive a transceiver GPS disciplined 10 MHz frequency standard input as well as having it feed the divider baord The input impedance of the divider board is nom

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-27 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: > The biggest problem I see is the crystal oscillator in the > rocket is going to notice the G forces during acceleration > in a pretty big way. But all of the ground stations will see the same frequency shift on the rocket's transmitter.

[time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt question, splitting its output.

2015-03-27 Thread Arthur Dent
The telco equipment that all these Tbolts came from had the 10 Mhz output feed 2 different modules using a MicroCircuits ZFSC-2-1-S two-way 0° 50 ohm power splitter. There are some of these splitters for sale on Ebay but almost any other similar unit should work. ___

[time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt question, splitting its output.

2015-03-27 Thread Chris Wilson
27/03/2015 17:14 My T/Thunderbolt has operated flawlessly for some years feeding a David Partridge frequency divider board. The board gives 10Mhz and lower divisions of 10MHz down to the KHz level out, as square waves. What I need to know is, can I T off the T/Thunderbolt 10MHz feed to this bo

Re: [time-nuts] HP5335A GPIB questions.

2015-03-27 Thread Luke Mester
>Luke, the HP5335A was introduced in around 1980 and has an early >(pre-IEEE-488.2) HP implementation of IEEE-488 which requires a >terminator character at the end of each string. According to the manual, >this terminator can be a comma, semicolon, space, carriage return, or >line feed character.

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-27 Thread Chuck Harris
The biggest problem I see is the crystal oscillator in the rocket is going to notice the G forces during acceleration in a pretty big way. Time nuts easily notice the reversal in a 1G force on a laboratory oscillator caused by flipping it on its back for service. But all is not even close to los

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-27 Thread Chris Albertson
Your second method is by far the best. But it can be simplified. All you need is two very stable oscillators, one in the rocket and one some known fixed location. Then you ground stations can be just dumb recorders that record both signals. In post processing you compare the relative phases. L

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-27 Thread Peter Reilley
Robert; It seems that a Doppler system should work for you. But first, you have a problem. If you want to track your rocket to 100K feet (20 miles) using some form of triangulation then you need your receiving stations further apart than 1 mile. Your triangle is too extreme and any measuremen

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-27 Thread Bill Hawkins
NASA uses the Doppler effect for deep space navigation, by integrating the velocity. You'd need a very stable oscillator, but you don't need a powered oven, due to the short duration of the flight. You only need one receiver. In fact, if it's possible for the rocket to hear a ground signal and ret

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing the BeagleBone Black & Raspberry Pi as NTPservers

2015-03-27 Thread David J Taylor
Many thanks for all the comments and help with this comparison - I have now updated the page, and the results are more in keeping with what would be expected. The BBB is better if time serving is its only function, although keep it well away from any GPS antennas! http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-03-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:32:33 -0500 Robert Watzlavick wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. Does the DSSS make it easier to correlate > between ground stations? I'm not sure how to handle the phase offset > on the 10 MHz ref clocks. The DSSS allows you to make the integer ambiguity, you have with

Re: [time-nuts] Some observations of the BG7T BL GPSDO (John Miles)

2015-03-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:57:25 -0700 "Willis" wrote: [u-blox LEA6-T] > Is it possible that this also has a systematic offset or is this just > contributing to the observed noise level around the mean? No, the PPS is calculated from the time send by the satellites. In worst case, the PPS is off

Re: [time-nuts] Greenwich Timekeeping

2015-03-27 Thread Ben Hall
On 3/25/2015 10:50 PM, Dave Martindale wrote: Perhaps a trip to Connecticut is in order this fall ... I grew up in CT. Mystic is a very beautiful place and the Seaport Museum was pretty nice the last time I was there. Wow...that was 20 years ago...how time flies... thanks and 73, ben, kd5