Re: [time-nuts] Mini-time lab cost and maintenance

2015-04-06 Thread Chris Albertson
You can do a lot for $200 if you can build electronics yourself. Decent GPS with PPS starts at under $20 on eBay. Same for surplus 10MHz oscillators. People have build usable counters for cheap microprocessor development boards and software.But it all depends on what you want to measure On M

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Attila, On 04/06/2015 11:14 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 22:51:34 -0500 Robert Watzlavick wrote: On 04/03/2015 10:12 PM, Robert Watzlavick wrote: I have an amateur radio license (mostly CW/HF and some VHF/UHF experience) and I've written some driver software for an IQ d

Re: [time-nuts] Mini-time lab cost and maintenance

2015-04-06 Thread Bob Camp
Hi What kind of gear do you already have? I’d guess a computer. Can it be / is it part of the time lab? What sort of background do you have (is equipment repair something you do)? How about building stuff from scratch? Do you have soldering gear etc? What sort of budget do you have? Is $100,000

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Attila, On 04/06/2015 11:21 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:49:01 +0200 Magnus Danielson wrote: This is on either side of the amateur 23 cm band. That's also the first band where you have bandwidth enough to fool around with stuff like this without breaking the bandplan.

[time-nuts] Modern HW replacement for ATOM based NTP server?

2015-04-06 Thread Frank Hughes via time-nuts
Hi,Years ago this forum helped me put together my first GPSDO and NTP server.  Using a then-popular INTEL ATOM board, FreeBSD w/ the NTP kernel, 1PPS input from aTB, works great. But as the years go by, HW improves/evolves and it might be time to recreate this functionin some other modern HW.  Lo

Re: [time-nuts] Mini-time lab cost and maintenance

2015-04-06 Thread Graham / KE9H
Adam: It depends. What are you trying to do? How much accuracy is needed? Do you mean just time, or some other metrics, too? --- Graham == On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Adam Blakney wrote: > I was wondering how expensive it would be to have even a small and lower > level time lab. What ar

[time-nuts] Mini-time lab cost and maintenance

2015-04-06 Thread Adam Blakney
I was wondering how expensive it would be to have even a small and lower level time lab. What are some less expensive models of machinery i would need, and how much maintenance is required? Thanks, Adam ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Magnus Danielson
Jim, On 04/06/2015 03:13 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 4/6/15 2:21 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:49:01 +0200 Magnus Danielson wrote: This is on either side of the amateur 23 cm band. That's also the first band where you have bandwidth enough to fool around with stuff like this with

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/6/15 2:14 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Moin, On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 22:51:34 -0500 Robert Watzlavick wrote: On 04/03/2015 10:12 PM, Robert Watzlavick wrote: I have an amateur radio license (mostly CW/HF and some VHF/UHF experience) and I've written some driver software for an IQ demodulation bo

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 4/6/15 2:21 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:49:01 +0200 Magnus Danielson wrote: This is on either side of the amateur 23 cm band. That's also the first band where you have bandwidth enough to fool around with stuff like this without breaking the bandplan. This shouldn't be

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Robert Watzlavick
Attila, Thank you very much for the references. I had come across [4] when searching on Kalman filters for GPS aiding of INS measurements. I didn't pay much attention to the GPS chapter at the time but I'll look at it again. I just downloaded [3] and it appears to have a good mix of practic

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, On Fri, 03 Apr 2015 22:51:34 -0500 Robert Watzlavick wrote: > On 04/03/2015 10:12 PM, Robert Watzlavick wrote: > > I have an amateur radio license (mostly CW/HF and some VHF/UHF > > experience) and I've written some driver software for an IQ > > demodulation board but I have to admit, I w

Re: [time-nuts] Need advice for multilateration setup

2015-04-06 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:49:01 +0200 Magnus Danielson wrote: > This is on either side of the amateur 23 cm band. That's also the first > band where you have bandwidth enough to fool around with stuff like this > without breaking the bandplan. This shouldn't be much of a problem. Using a chiping

Re: [time-nuts] Striking change in iPhone time accuracy with 8.2

2015-04-06 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 1 Apr 2015 23:20:19 -0400 David McGaw wrote: > There is evidence that the ear can discern differences in timing down to > the uS range. See a discussion by David Blackmer of DBX and Earthworks: > > http://www.earthworksaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/The-world-beyond-20kHz.pdf I