Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The front end would be “dealers choice”. He who does the project gets to decide what gets used. If you look over some other designs, you can indeed get a device going with a 12 bit converter. The qualifier is that the signal to noise needs to be pretty good. With fades and switcher

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Graham / KE9H
There are several high end audio Analog to Digital Data converters that will clock at 192 kHz, ~23 bits ENOB, which puts a 60 kHz signal sweetly in the first Nyquist zone. Typical NF of the front end of the data converter is 20 to 25 dB, so noise floor well below the atmospheric noise level at 60

Re: [time-nuts] HP10811 dual oven

2015-08-05 Thread Pete Lancashire
Interesting, mine does not have a HP tag, just a dot-matrix printed label with one line. Hopefully by next spring I'll be set up to where I can do some 'real' checking of the the oscillators I have. Thank you for the enlightenment -pete On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Charles Steinmetz

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Tom Van Baak
Does anyone have a schematic for building a simple WWVB receiver ? Any information would be grateful. - Don See http://www.joejaworski.com/wwvb/ for a recent WWVB project. See http://www.tinaja.com/glib/WWVBexps.pdf for a vintage project. /tvb

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Pete Lancashire
There is someone on ebay selling an analog 'movement' http://www.ebay.com/itm/181283274562 DISCLAIMER: Not associated with the seller On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 4:15 AM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi The front end would be “dealers choice”. He who does the project gets to decide what

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Donald
On 8/4/2015 9:36 PM, Hal Murray wrote: kb...@n1k.org said: So far there have not been any home brew design radios show up that will demodulate and lock to the new data format. There is plenty of info on the transmit format. The demodulation approach is not crazy hard. That said, there’s still

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi 10 MHz does not divide by an integer to 60 KHz. 15 MHz, 6 and 9 MHz are all more reasonable candidates. The attractiveness of 15 MHz and the value of a tunable OCXO is what makes the current $25 price of the KS boxes pretty attractive. You *might* even be able to dispense with the tear down

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It will work as a direct conversion radio. As with any of these, the practical result will be a tone at a lower frequency. You will convert 60 KHz to 600 Hz by using a 60.6 KHz local oscillator. The big question is: Does this really help out or not? Bob On Aug 5, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Donald

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Scott Newell
At 12:40 PM 8/5/2015, Graham / KE9H wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There are several high end audio Analog to Digital Data converters that will clock at 192 kHz, ~23 bits ENOB, which puts a 60 kHz signal sweetly in the first Nyquist zone. Typical NF of the front end of the data

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 8/5/15 12:41 PM, Donald wrote: On 8/4/2015 9:36 PM, Hal Murray wrote: kb...@n1k.org said: So far there have not been any home brew design radios show up that will demodulate and lock to the new data format. There is plenty of info on the transmit format. The demodulation approach is not

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Analog Devices has some very nice ADC’s that are directly targeted at doing this general sort of thing. They do not have any “odd” filtering approach that creates issues. Some of the early 192 KHz audio parts did not do very well past 1/4 the clock rate. Bob On Aug 5, 2015, at 6:47 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Graham / KE9H
Scott: You won't be able to use an off-the-shelf audio card, because they will have filters that cut off just above human hearing limits, somewhere in the mid 20 kHz range. I was referring to the data converter chips they use on those high end cards. The circuit for ~80 kHz (Nyquist) low pass

[time-nuts] A few questions about Tboltmon

2015-08-05 Thread Chris Waldrup
Hi, I got my new Thunderbolt up and running this past weekend but I have a few questions. I understand Lady Heather is a better program, and I have downloaded it. However right now I am trying to get things right with Tboltmon first. I had used it with my previous GPSDO, a Starloc II. I hate

Re: [time-nuts] wtd: WWVB info

2015-08-05 Thread Mike Magin
If one were trying to use it not simply for the time code but also as a frequency reference, it seems to me that the ideal thing would be a ADC that can easily use an external clock (derived from a local voltage-tuned OCXO reference under control of the SDR). Otherwise one is doing (rather