[time-nuts] PRS10 rubidium lamp module failure

2016-05-09 Thread Arthur Dent
..."apparently got hot enough to create a localized thermal runaway in its lead wire." I don't think that explanation is correct. There are no signs of discoloration caused by overheating anywhere else in the photo and yet the lead wire has apparently melted as you say. That would probably require

[time-nuts] time-nuts conference (was: High rate, high, precision/accuracy time interval counter methods)

2016-05-09 Thread Hendrik Dietrich
A time-nuts conference in Saarbrooklyn - well, I want to register! But I am living in the Rhein Main Area now, I can join if I visit my old home (Neinkerje) BR Hendrik ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://ww

Re: [time-nuts] High rate, high precision/accuracy time interval counter methods

2016-05-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Its probably easier/cheaper to construct a suitable filter for a GSPS ADC than to construct a TAC that is fast enough to suit an ADC with a GHz clock. Minimising the emitter to emitter inductance of a longtailed pair or equivalent is key to achieving a fast enough switching time for a suitable T

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 rubidium lamp module failure

2016-05-09 Thread Vasco Soares
Hi, I had the same problem a few years ago. What kind of advice are your searching for to that "usual" failure? Regards, VS - Original Message - From: "Stewart Cobb" To: Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 11:47 PM Subject: [time-nuts] PRS10 rubidium lamp module failure R901, on the far

Re: [time-nuts] IFCS Repeaters

2016-05-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Great idead, but I forgot to bring a radio. 73 de Magnus SA0MAD On 05/09/2016 10:45 PM, Francis Grosz wrote: If you are at IFCS in New Orleans and want to use a repeater, my first recommendation would be the 444.200 machine if you have 70 cm and alternatively the 146.86 2-meter machine.

[time-nuts] PRS10 rubidium lamp module failure

2016-05-09 Thread Stewart Cobb
R901, on the far right, is shown on the schematic as "air heater". It apparently got hot enough to create a localized thermal runaway in its lead wire. There was ample evidence of arcing. A half-melted bit of wire fell away before I could take the picture. Without that heater working, the lamp is

[time-nuts] IFCS Repeaters

2016-05-09 Thread Francis Grosz
If you are at IFCS in New Orleans and want to use a repeater, my first recommendation would be the 444.200 machine if you have 70 cm and alternatively the 146.86 2-meter machine. Francis Grosz, K5FBG ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO phase pops

2016-05-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Magnus, I wouldn't know how. I don't have the password to the thing, either. I'm not even sure it can be done. Bob On Mon, 5/9/16, Magnus Danielson wrote: Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OCXO phase pops To: time-nuts@febo.com Cc: mag...@rubidium.se

Re: [time-nuts] High rate, high precision/accuracy time interval counter methods

2016-05-09 Thread David
In this case though we are talking about pushing the TAC resolution to 14 bits or maybe higher and that is about the level where dielectric absorption starts to become a problem in all but the better film capacitors. NP0 ceramics are perhaps more than an order of magnitude worse than the best film

[time-nuts] time-nuts conference (was: High rate, high precision/accuracy time interval counter methods)

2016-05-09 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 8 May 2016 20:04:39 -0400 Bob Camp wrote: > > Attilla, we could discuss that on a sunny evening in Saarbrücken in a > > beer garden if you like. The season starts :-) > > … but how about the rest of us :) How about a time-nuts conference/meet-up? :-) And yes, i'm serious.

Re: [time-nuts] High rate, high precision/accuracy time interval counter methods

2016-05-09 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Since the GSPS sampling ADCs all appear to use an input buffer with relatively low value resistors between the differential inputs or connected to a midpoint bias voltage, some kind of high impedance buffer is needed between the TAC capacitor and the ADC input when using such ADCs. The highest c

Re: [time-nuts] High rate, high precision/accuracy time interval counter methods

2016-05-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Simple answer: You are likely using an NPO cap and it’s not a big deal. Bob > On May 8, 2016, at 9:49 PM, David wrote: > > How much will dielectric absorption in the capacitor affect the > accuracy of the result with such a high conversion rate? I am used to > dealing with it on much l

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO phase pops

2016-05-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
How does it behave when you run the PRS-45 in open loop? Cheers, Magnus On 05/09/2016 02:43 AM, Bob Stewart wrote: I started getting phase pops in my testing recently, and I'm pretty sure they're from the PRS-45A Cs standard. Is this likely to go away after it cooks some more, or do I need t

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO phase pops

2016-05-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The problem with phase pops inside a control loop is that they can come from a lot of places. As long as the loop is still closed they generally track out. That’s not saying the OCXO is *not* the source, only that there are other culprits to dig into. Classic phase pops in an OCXO tend to b

Re: [time-nuts] High rate, high precision/accuracy time interval counter methods

2016-05-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 05/08/2016 09:53 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2016 15:26:37 +0200 Magnus Danielson wrote: Indeed. ADC conversion speed is not a big issue these days, so the Nutt style of interpolator is just expensive to parallelize for speed, the time-to-voltage system is better and should

Re: [time-nuts] High rate, high precision/accuracy time interval counter methods

2016-05-09 Thread David
Sure, and then we are back to a transition midpoint timing TDC. Or AC couple it for a centroid timing TDC. These require a lot more processing to generate a result compared to a time to amplitude converter but with economical FPGAs and ARM microcontrollers, maybe this does not matter. I was just