[time-nuts] So what’s inside that Cs Beam Tube anyway?

2016-11-01 Thread Mark Sims
You mean I can't just drill a hole in, wash out the old cesium with some tap water ;-), toss in some new cesium, suck out the air, bung a cork in the hole, and call it a day? Drat! foiled again... --- > Because it's not that easy. We are talking about a high vacuum system here.

Re: [time-nuts] Cs tube pics

2016-11-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
Clint: > While I've no need for such accuracy in my little home workshop, I > *really* would like a Cs standard, just because. > > The Rb and GPSDO are more than adequate for my needs but I can understand > (and, for now, manage to resist) the addiction to accuracy and find it > fascinating that

Re: [time-nuts] Cs tube pics

2016-11-01 Thread Clint Jay
While I've no need for such accuracy in my little home workshop, I *really* would like a Cs standard, just because. The Rb and GPSDO are more than adequate for my needs but I can understand (and, for now, manage to resist) the addiction to accuracy and find it fascinating that such results can b

Re: [time-nuts] Temp/Humidity control systems?

2016-11-01 Thread Wes
On 10/30/2016 10:18 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Think of the fun you'll have determining the heat flow model constants for the system. In particular, there's no air flow sensor because they are expensive. You'll need to determine the relation between fan speed and air flow. You can buy an automotive

Re: [time-nuts] Cs tube pics

2016-11-01 Thread Bert Kehren via time-nuts
Has any one opened a FTS tube it is smaller than the new HP tube, would be nice. If not I will gladly make one available for the cost of shipping. Bert Kehren In a message dated 11/1/2016 1:19:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, t...@leapsecond.com writes: > Thanks for the other good links as

Re: [time-nuts] So what’s inside that Cs Beam Tube anyway?

2016-11-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20161101115121.998d1e1b073c5a9d1658b...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali writes: >It would be possible to make the tube such that you could change the >"consumables". Wasn't PTB's long Cs advertised on them being able to replenish the Cs reservoir while it was running ? -- Poul-

Re: [time-nuts] So what’s inside that Cs Beam Tube anyway?

2016-11-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Quite literally 10’s of millions of dollars (back in the good old days) was put into the idea of a rebuildable Cs tube or rebuilding ones that already exist. The result was more people in the tube business for a while. They never did come up with a rebuildable tube or a salvage process. Since t

Re: [time-nuts] Cs tube pics

2016-11-01 Thread jimlux
On 10/31/16 10:18 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: When you're all done you'll realize just how amazing it is that an entire atomic physics laboratory can be reduced to the size of a 2L water bottle, with a 68000 CPU playing the role of the grad student. It can run 24x7 for 10 to 20 years and remain

Re: [time-nuts] Cs tube pics

2016-11-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 10/31/2016 10:18 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: So if you keep hacking on your tube(s) you should get to the same point as they did. If nothing else, you can use my photos of hp's display as a hint of where and where not to cut! Note that the shinny copper will look fantastic at first but may d

Re: [time-nuts] So what’s inside that Cs Beam Tube anyway?

2016-11-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I remember when they made tubes in Santa Clara, they would assemble them and do some tests without breaking the Cs ampule. A fair percentage would fail and would go to a machinist using a big lathe to cut them open to be rebuilt. It was very important that the Cs had not been released yet. Rick

Re: [time-nuts] So what’s inside that Cs Beam Tube anyway?

2016-11-01 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 14:50:51 -0700 ed breya wrote: > It's a shame that they're not built in such a way that just the wear-out > parts could be replaced, and not wasting all the rest of the design and > craftsmanship that's probably just fine. Because it's not that easy. We are talking about a

Re: [time-nuts] Cs tube pics

2016-11-01 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 31 Oct 2016 22:18:07 -0700 "Tom Van Baak" wrote: > That's why everyone should own a cesium standard after they grow tired of > playing with GPSDO. I really would like to do that. But they are a tad bit expensive. Especially on this side of the big pond. If anyone is willing to part with