[time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling

2017-10-27 Thread Eric Drucker
Here is a link I found to use ADS to simulate ring oscillators. The is a lot more stuff if you goggle modeling ring oscillators in ADS. I have had reasonable luck modeling phase noise using BJT’s in ADS. There is a company called Modelithics that can supply models for various transistors that

Re: [time-nuts] Designing an embedded precision GPS time server

2017-10-27 Thread Denny Page
> On Oct 26, 2017, at 19:29, Chris Caudle wrote: > > On Thu, October 26, 2017 7:38 pm, Denny Page wrote: >> If you are going to do PTP with ptp4l, or NTP with Chrony, you are going >> to want hardware timestamping support on the ethernet phy. > > Or the MAC. The processor used on BeagleBone Bl

Re: [time-nuts] vectron to be acquired by MicroSemi

2017-10-27 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Not a lot of detail out there other than that the deal is expected to close before the end of December. Bob > On Oct 27, 2017, at 6:42 PM, jimlux wrote: > > from a recent email blast - "I am pleased to inform you that Microsemi > Corporation has agreed to acquire the high performance timi

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Ulrich, On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:04:00 -0400 Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts wrote: > Wiley: RF / Microwave Circuit Design for Wireless Applications, 2nd Edition - > Ulrich L. Rohde, Matthias Rudolph I had a quick look at this book.. boy.. I should have had this book years ago! It is now on my to

[time-nuts] vectron to be acquired by MicroSemi

2017-10-27 Thread jimlux
from a recent email blast - "I am pleased to inform you that Microsemi Corporation has agreed to acquire the high performance timing business of Vectron International, a Knowles company." ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts
I gave a general answer    In a message dated 10/27/2017 5:14:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, att...@kinali.ch writes:   On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:55:06 +0200 Attila Kinali wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:46:20 -0400 > Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts wrote: > > > yes, where to ? > > Wie wäre es an mei

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:55:06 +0200 Attila Kinali wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:46:20 -0400 > Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts wrote: > > > yes, where to ? > > Wie wäre es an meine Emailadresse (nimmt alles bis 20MB)? > Ich könnte es dann für den Rest der Mailingliste auf meinen > Webserver stellen

Re: [time-nuts] Designing an embedded precision GPS time server

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Leo, On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 20:27:53 +0100 Leo Bodnar wrote: > Last year I have designed an NTP server with sub-microsecond turnaround > accuracy/jitter at fully saturated 100K+ packets/sec traffic (full 100Mb wire > speed) that costs just £250 from stock. > Its holdover performance on signal

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts
Will get it to you next week.   It was a fundamental paper, the ever first one ever to prove to be able   evaluate the correct noise performance (against measured data) of such an amplifier. It included all distributed elements a correct FET noise model.   You can find a shorter version in :   Wi

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts
See below .   In a message dated 10/27/2017 3:02:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, att...@kinali.ch writes:   Hoi Ulrich, On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 18:31:33 -0400 Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts wrote: > Eric has done a lot of excellent work, I know his presentations . While > I do no always agree with t

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Ulrich On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 16:46:20 -0400 Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts wrote: > yes, where to ? Wie wäre es an meine Emailadresse (nimmt alles bis 20MB)? Ich könnte es dann für den Rest der Mailingliste auf meinen Webserver stellen. Gruess Attila Kinali -- You know,

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts
yes, where to ?   In a message dated 10/27/2017 3:26:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, kc0...@gmail.com writes:   With respect to your first question, I subscribe to MWJ and, after a modest amount of looking on the web, find that the MWJ archives seem to go back only as far as 2002. I was unable to

Re: [time-nuts] Designing an embedded precision GPS time server

2017-10-27 Thread Leo Bodnar
Hi Nick, Last year I have designed an NTP server with sub-microsecond turnaround accuracy/jitter at fully saturated 100K+ packets/sec traffic (full 100Mb wire speed) that costs just £250 from stock. Its holdover performance on signal loss is in the order of 4-5ms/day. https://store.uputronics.co

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Dave Daniel
With respect to your first question, I subscribe to MWJ and, after a modest amount of looking on the web, find that the MWJ archives seem to go back only as far as 2002. I was unable to locate a copy of the 1988 paper elsewhere on the web, which seems strange. Perhaps someone out there has a pa

Re: [time-nuts] Spice simulation of PSRR and phase noise

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 12:12:24 -0700 "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" wrote: > This problem came up in the design of the 5071A. > I elected to avoid narrowband filters by using > some tricks described in my FCS paper of about > 25 years ago. I didn't find it necessary to ovenize > the output section. F

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Ulrich, On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 18:31:33 -0400 Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts wrote: > Eric has done a lot of excellent work, I know his presentations . While > I do no always agree with the ADS approach and use my own software the ADS > is a very good all-round CAD microwave CAD tool. More on the t

Re: [time-nuts] Phase Noise Modeling in SPICE

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Hi Eric, On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 14:03:02 -0700 Eric Drucker wrote: > I have done a lot of phase noise modeling using LT SPICE over the years for > PLL’s. It will not model the phase noise of the individual devices like > VCO’s, dividers, phase detectors. You can input the phase noise profiles of >

Re: [time-nuts] Spice simulation of PSRR and phase noise

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Bruce, On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 09:58:40 +1300 (NZDT) Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Since close in phase noise can result from up conversion of supply noise > etc via circuit non linearities, using an AC analysis won't work. > > Only transient simulation or perhaps analytical modelling of the various

Re: [time-nuts] Spice simulation of PSRR and phase noise

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Hi Rafael On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:20:52 +0200 Rafael Gajanec wrote: > you haven't specified what sort of circuits would you like to simulate, Simplified, they are differential amplifiers driven into saturation. A bit more detailed, I am looking at ring oscillator stages and sine-to-square conve

Re: [time-nuts] Spice simulation of PSRR and phase noise

2017-10-27 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Dana, On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:23:26 -0500 Dana Whitlow wrote: > But I am surprised about the simulation times that you speak of. > Would you be willing to post some information detailing your > methodology and an example "simple" circuit? As Bruce already mentioned, the simulation times requ

Re: [time-nuts] I've been thinking about a GPS receiver experiment

2017-10-27 Thread Bert Kehren via time-nuts
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