Re: [time-nuts] SI532X Chips Close In Spurs (Somewhat Long)

2018-01-08 Thread Hal Murray
marklgoldb...@gmail.com said: > I was hoping someone who knows these devices might have some insight into > what the issue is and how to determine which plans will not provide close in > spurs, without requiring testing. Any suggestions are appreciated. If you look at the binary of the word that

Re: [time-nuts] AM vs PM noise of signal sources

2018-01-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
Thank you, Charles. What a clever way to minimize the power dissipation in Q4 with the components of the day. A switching regulator without the steep (and noisy) transients of today's switchers. Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Beha

[time-nuts] SI532X Chips Close In Spurs (Somewhat Long)

2018-01-08 Thread Mark Goldberg
I am using the Leo Bodnar Single output Mini GPSDO to generate 38.4 MHz as an input to a Wenzel Oscillator that locks to it and produces a low phase noise 80 MHz to drive my Perseus SDR. The Wenzel has a low loop bandwidth so the phase noise from the Bodnar above the 10-100 Hz range does not seem t

Re: [time-nuts] hp 5245L counters with 10544 and 10811 OCXOs

2018-01-08 Thread Tom Van Baak
Loney, You'll find the schematic for the 05245-60033 adapter board at the bottom of: http://leapsecond.com/museum/10544/ /tvb - Original Message - From: "Loney Duncan" To: Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:08 PM Subject: [time-nuts] hp 5245L counters with 10544 and 10811 OCXOs Gentl

[time-nuts] hp 5245L counters with 10544 and 10811 OCXOs

2018-01-08 Thread Loney Duncan
Gentlemen: I have two 5245L counters which appear to have had a field mod where the original 1 MHz cylindrical oven standard has been replaced by the 10544 and 10811 10 MHz ones. Both counters have late 4-digit serial prefixes. Both of the standards plug into an interface circuit board that,

Re: [time-nuts] AM vs PM noise of signal sources

2018-01-08 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bill wrote: What does the unijunction 2N2646 do in the oven controller? For the following discussion, you need to refer to the *corrected* schematic I mentioned in my last post. If you are looking at the HP schematic, you will wonder how the hell it works (and it wouldn't, if HP actually b

[time-nuts] Outdoor GPS Antenna Selection

2018-01-08 Thread Mark Sims
I have a bunch of small, cheap antennas that look like this one. I bought them for testing some Glonass capable receivers: https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-GPS-GLONASS-Antenna-car-navigation-dvd-C-receiver-Waterproof-gps-antenna-SMA/262621649740?hash=item3d25785b4c:g:OHkAAOSwglZZcC8~ They seem to w

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna Supply voltage

2018-01-08 Thread Alberto di Bene
On 1/8/2018 11:12 PM, Neville Michie wrote: I have just scanned through the Thunderbolt manual and found no information on the supply of power to the antenna. Is there a standard for the supply of power to the antenna? Are there 3.3v , 5v and 12v antennae? Will any antenna work safely on any GPS

Re: [time-nuts] Antenna Supply voltage

2018-01-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The normal TBolt supplies 5V to the antenna. There *are* some 3.3V only antennas out there. You could blow one up with a TBolt. There are also survey oriented receivers (and antennas) that work at 12V. Most 5V (but not all) antennas will fry if hooked to a 12V receiver. Current wise, you pr

[time-nuts] Antenna Supply voltage

2018-01-08 Thread Neville Michie
I have just scanned through the Thunderbolt manual and found no information on the supply of power to the antenna. Is there a standard for the supply of power to the antenna? Are there 3.3v , 5v and 12v antennae? Will any antenna work safely on any GPS receiver? It is just a question that I had ne

Re: [time-nuts] Outdoor GPS Antenna Selection

2018-01-08 Thread Martin VE3OAT
Hi, Duane, I am actually using a small commercial GPS antenna with the small (lossy!!) coax and getting good results. It is either a Garmin or Gilsson "puck" style antenna with 15 feet of that terrible coax, mounted on a 3 foot wooden pole at the peak of the roof. The antenna sits on a cast

Re: [time-nuts] trimble Thunderbolt, how to get 25 or 27 mHz from it??

2018-01-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Depending on the noise floor of the phase detector (which probably is not super duper), even the noise *inside* the PLL bandwidth may not be all that great. Bob > On Jan 8, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Bruce Griffiths > wrote: > > Yes, but the PN noise (outside the PLL bandwidth) will be much higher

Re: [time-nuts] trimble Thunderbolt, how to get 25 or 27 mHz from it??

2018-01-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Yes, but the PN noise (outside the PLL bandwidth) will be much higher than with a classical multiplier. Bruce > > On 09 January 2018 at 02:14 Chris Wilson wrote: > > Hello Bruce, Sorry, this went to you direct as well, in error. > > Thanks for the very fast reply! Would it be pos

Re: [time-nuts] Outdoor GPS Antenna Selection

2018-01-08 Thread Duane Wheaton
Thanks for all the responses. So even a $13 active hockey puck antenna should work: https://www.adafruit.com/product/960 I'll get an antenna on order. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mai

Re: [time-nuts] AM vs PM noise of signal sources

2018-01-08 Thread Bill Hawkins
Charles, What does the unijunction 2N2646 do in the oven controller? Bill Hawkins -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Charles Steinmetz Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 7:50 AM Also, note that the HP schematics of the 10544 have some error

Re: [time-nuts] AM vs PM noise of signal sources

2018-01-08 Thread Ulrich Rohde via time-nuts
Hi from Florida (it is atypical cool),ly    ` Ref 1 is really  only good for an insight but to use it makes no sens and the names in ref 2 are out of order, that makes no difference.   Ulrich      In a message dated 1/8/2018 9:02:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, att...@kinali.ch writes: Moin Discla

Re: [time-nuts] Outdoor GPS Antenna Selection

2018-01-08 Thread Richard Solomon
Just being curious, I took 100' of RG-174 and connected one of those "Hockey Puck" antennas to one of my Trimble Thunderbolts. Stuck the antenna on a south facing window and had no trouble getting a lock. I did not do any fine measurements, just looked at TBoltMon. 73, Dick, W1KSZ Sent from

Re: [time-nuts] trimble Thunderbolt, how to get 25 or 27 mHz from it??

2018-01-08 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 13:14:16 + Chris Wilson wrote: > Thanks for the very fast reply! Would it be possible to use one of > these frequency multiplier IC's? Sounds simpler, but maybe there are > down sides? > > http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/nb3n502dg/pll-clock-multiplier-8soic/dp/21018

Re: [time-nuts] AM vs PM noise of signal sources

2018-01-08 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin Disclaimer: I am by far not an expert in oscillators. Please correct me if I am wrong. I am putting my replies to a few mails together into one, as not to clutter the mailinglist too much. On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:53:20 +1300 donald collie wrote: > So to be lowest noise, an oscillator should

Re: [time-nuts] AM vs PM noise of signal sources

2018-01-08 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Don wrote: I`m looking at the circuit of an HP10544 oscillator - can anybody confirm, please, if the HP transistor types 53-20, and 54-215 have commercial equivalents? 54-215 (full HP part number 1854-0215) is the ubiquitous 2N3904. 53-20 (full HP part number 1853-0020) is 2N3702. 2N4403 is

Re: [time-nuts] trimble Thunderbolt, how to get 25 or 27 mHz from it??

2018-01-08 Thread Chris Wilson
Hello Bruce, Sorry, this went to you direct as well, in error. Thanks for the very fast reply! Would it be possible to use one of these frequency multiplier IC's? Sounds simpler, but maybe there are down sides? http://uk.farnell.com/on-semiconductor/nb3n502dg/pll-clock-multiplier-8soic/dp/2101849

Re: [time-nuts] trimble Thunderbolt, how to get 25 or 27 mHz from it??

2018-01-08 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Divide the 10MHz by 2 and use a filter to extract the fifth harmonic from the 5MHz square wave output. Amplify the 25MHz output from the filter if required... Bruce > > On 09 January 2018 at 00:31 Chris Wilson wrote: > > 08/01/2018 11:28 > > Is there an easy way to get 25 or 27

[time-nuts] trimble Thunderbolt, how to get 25 or 27 mHz from it??

2018-01-08 Thread Chris Wilson
08/01/2018 11:28 Is there an easy way to get 25 or 27 MHz from my Trimble Thunderbolt as a reference clock at 1v P to P square wave for a Si5351a synthesizer chip please? I have the David Partridge divider board from way back that is still going strong, but 25 MHz is not an option as it divide