Re: [time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread Don Murray via time-nuts
Hello all...     One limitation, back in the day, when the network signal was being passed thru to the local markets...   Many stations used a frame sync to time the network signal to the local house signal.  In other words the network reference was stripped and retimed to the house so as to avoid

Re: [time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread Hal Murray
> As noted earlier, color burst references were a big deal a long time ago. Thanks. I was fishing for something modern, maybe a bit clock out of the digital receiver. I'm assuming that the digital stream is locked to the carrier. That may not be correct. -- These are my opinions. I hate s

Re: [time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 31.03.2018 um 00:13 schrieb Hal Murray: fgr...@otiengineering.com said: Now that analog TV has gone away, so have these signals. What do the local TV stations use for a frequency reference? Are there low cost receivers that also produce a good reference frequency? The German channel

Re: [time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group. Been staying clear of the thread as many good comments. Several things happened that made the color burst signal useless for most people. Yes the networks had Cesium's about 3 of them at CBS and the network feed carried that quality. but about 1980 a device called a frame synchr

Re: [time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread jimlux
On 3/30/18 5:52 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: Hi On Mar 30, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Hal Murray wrote: fgr...@otiengineering.com said: Now that analog TV has gone away, so have these signals. What do the local TV stations use for a frequency reference? Anything from a crystal oscillator to a Cs st

Re: [time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread Tisha Hayes
It might of been fairly easy to use an old NTSC television signal as a frequency reference (lumina, chroma or audio carriers). Now that it is converted over to ATSC it would be much more difficult to recover a reference frequency using readily available electronics. You would have a much better ch

Re: [time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 30, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > fgr...@otiengineering.com said: >> Now that analog TV has gone away, so >> have these signals. > > What do the local TV stations use for a frequency reference? Anything from a crystal oscillator to a Cs standard. It’s very much a “

Re: [time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread Hal Murray
fgr...@otiengineering.com said: > Now that analog TV has gone away, so > have these signals. What do the local TV stations use for a frequency reference? Are there low cost receivers that also produce a good reference frequency? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

[time-nuts] TV Signals as a frequency reference

2018-03-30 Thread Francis Grosz
Hal Murray (hmur...@megapathdsl.net) said: "Roughly 40 years ago, a friend showed me a NBS booklet describing a scheme for distributing time via TV. I forget the details. It was a cooperative project with one of the major networks. NBS published the propagation delays which changed occasionally

Re: [time-nuts] Ultralink

2018-03-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hi Brooke -- Yes, all the chips on the board are low power devices. I'm measuring the receiver as drawing 0.9 MA at about 2.3 volts. Update -- I moved the receiver and farted around with the wiring, and now the S-Meter is off the peg, responds to orientation changes, and I actually got a co

Re: [time-nuts] Ultralink

2018-03-30 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi John: The U4226B chip operates at very high impedance levels in order to minimize battery drain in its main application, battery powered clocks. So some sort of buffer is needed on all the output pins. The 333 model, with the analog meter, was made for the folks working for WWVB as a way fo

Re: [time-nuts] WWV/CHU

2018-03-30 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 30, 2018, at 12:42 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > jim...@earthlink.net said: >> Hal, you should know better than to have a question like "get time" on this >> list without specify the precision and accuracy . > > I was thinking of measuring the results, and maybe comparing vario

Re: [time-nuts] . Re: WWV/CHU (jimlux)

2018-03-30 Thread Andre
Hi, I modified my RTL-SDR by adding a blue LED on one side of the crystal. This helped a bit but there is still a little variation with temperature. Anyone else run into this problem? It seems spot-on when checked against available standards but lack an atomic reference. -Andre _

Re: [time-nuts] Ultralink

2018-03-30 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
On 03/30/2018 03:39 AM, Hal Murray wrote: t...@leapsecond.com said: I updated http://leapsecond.com/museum/ulio/ with more manuals, and many exterior / interior photos of the 301 module. Thanks. My 301 says it is a 30TH Rev-A - mostly through hole parts. Same layout. Mine is the same. Cir

Re: [time-nuts] WWV/CHU

2018-03-30 Thread Hal Murray
t...@leapsecond.com said: > In general, if the author or paper is related to NIST, the original > copyright-free PDF will be available in the NIST Time and Frequency > Publication Database. That easily searchable database, and the thousands of > papers it contains, is probably the greatest asset w

Re: [time-nuts] Ultralink

2018-03-30 Thread Hal Murray
t...@leapsecond.com said: > I updated http://leapsecond.com/museum/ulio/ with more manuals, and many > exterior / interior photos of the 301 module. Thanks. My 301 says it is a 30TH Rev-A - mostly through hole parts. Same layout. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. __