Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-26 Thread Chris Mack
Folks, thanks for your input and sanity checking. To recap... Having never worked with crystals before (only 2 and 10 GHz stuff in GaAs power amp RFIC design for cell phone and the like using lab RF generators or Vitesse / AMCC asics with clock recovery already done by someone/something

Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-23 Thread Chris Mack
Hey Chris, Thanks for the response... notes below On Apr 23, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Chris Caudle wrote: I'm a little late following up on this, but hopefully not too out of context. On Wed, April 8, 2009 10:23 pm, Chris Mack wrote: The box / design of interest has ADCs, DACs, and a 38.88MHz

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Verilog/VHDL discussion list created...

2009-04-16 Thread Chris Mack
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Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-16 Thread Chris Mack
: At 22:03 -0400 08-04-2009, Chris Mack / N1SKY wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chris If you divide the output down to ~38MHz using a noiseless divider then the performance is 20dB or more worse than can be achieved with a good ~38MHz crystal oscillator. Ah

Re: [time-nuts] OT: 10 MHz data capture, help

2009-04-10 Thread Chris Mack / N1SKY
I am on the road right now, so I am not in front of it, but I have the HandyScope HS3 100MHz USB which can run a strip chart recorder for days / years if you like; depending on hard drive space. The strip chart may be only available at lower speeds? I dunno... I can't remember but

Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-09 Thread Chris Mack / N1SKY
On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:59 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: The incoming clock source (master house clock) to this box / design of interest is in another rack mount box external to this design on the other side of the room and is anywhere from 44.1kHz up to a 10MHz Rubidium (see also

[time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chris Mack / N1SKY
into play here as well For the sampling application this is being used for, it would be ideal (by design) to keep the timing uncertainty below 0.45ps or so... Any thoughts? Cheers, -chris N1SKY -- Chris Mack Electrical Engineer / RF Engineer / Software Engineer / Mastering Engineer

Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chris Mack / N1SKY
a microprocessor (different from what I need it to do of course since I already have an OCXO) Harrumph Cheers, -chris On Apr 8, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Chris Mack / N1SKY skrev: Hello fellow time nuts, Have a project here with an OCXO from Vectron at 38.88MHz being

Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chris Mack / N1SKY
This is a good idea for testing.. Applying jitter frequencies for jitter tolerance testing is standard stuff and needs to be done. Jitter tolerance curves match up with MTIE tolerance curves very neatly. Of course, here is the weird part... It's not SONET; but it is a chip that can be

Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chris Mack / N1SKY
On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Unless you are prepared to place the crystals in an oven with the temperature regulated tightly and carefully tune the filter periodically then using a crystal filter (or any passive filter with a sufficiently narrow bandwidth to cleanup

Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chris Mack / N1SKY
On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote: Chris If you divide the output down to ~38MHz using a noiseless divider then the performance is 20dB or more worse than can be achieved with a good ~38MHz crystal oscillator. Ah, this would work, but there is a synchronization aspect

Re: [time-nuts] femtosecond jitter anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chris Mack / N1SKY
at the expense of long term drift and aging. Achieving low jitter with such a source isn't difficult. The other question that arises is why is the OCXO phase noise so poor at frequency offsets less than 12kHz? Bruce Chris Mack / N1SKY wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Bruce Griffiths wrote