Re: [time-nuts] The HP 10811-60111

2008-05-28 Thread Didier Juges
I have a number of HP 10811 related documents on my Manual pages at http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl Search for '10811' Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Phillips > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 4:35 AM > To:

Re: [time-nuts] Thoughts on IR thermometers?

2008-05-27 Thread Didier Juges
I found a cheap IR sensor (not a spot meter) useful to identify the one IC that's warmer than the others in a fully populated PWB. That has been useful to isolate the one bad part, but a contact thermometer would have been almost as useful. While the IR sensor reading depends on emissivity, the con

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B

2008-05-27 Thread Didier Juges
http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=HP_Agilent/HP_-_105 Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J. L. Trantham > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:20 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] HP 105B > > I have

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Anyone programmed HP 59306A relay actuator (or other old device)?

2008-05-25 Thread Didier Juges
David, It appears as if exiting the program caused the unit to revert to local mode, and assume the position selected by the switches. Interesting, I had forgotten about that. I need to check if it does the same with my controllers. Thanks and congrats, Didier > -Original Message- >

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Anyone programmed HP 59306A relay actuator (orother old device)?

2008-05-24 Thread Didier Juges
Remember these units don't have uC, so any signal that would normally depend on some timing must be generated externally, i.e. come from the bus. I suspect the box might need some signals that other equipment (uC equipped) may not absolutely require. However, this being a piece of HP equipment, I a

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Anyone programmed HP 59306A relay actuator (orother old device)?

2008-05-24 Thread Didier Juges
David, Yes, I have programmed both types of relay boxes (59306A and 59307A). I have a couple of each here. As far as I recall (using a serial BlackBox GPIB controller) there was nothing to it. These boxes don't even have a uC, they just use TTL logic. How hard can it be :-) ? I really do not reca

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stanley Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:37 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy > > > >  I have several HP

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing Reference Accuracy

2008-05-22 Thread Didier Juges
I started doing that some time ago using my Wiki, but got distracted. Anyone can contribute, you are certainly welcome to: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki.cgi Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Atkinson > S

Re: [time-nuts] antenna for t-bolt

2008-05-20 Thread Didier Juges
I have a Trimble Bullet, a Symmetricom HP 58532 and an inexpensive mag-mount patch antenna. All are amplified. As far as how many sats they see, they are roughly equivalent. Of course, the Bullet and HP units have narrow filters and better defined capture range (to reject reflections from the sides

[time-nuts] Fwd: ARLB010 Spring 2008 W1AW Frequency Measuring Test Set

2008-05-19 Thread Didier Juges
> Subject: ARLB010 Spring 2008 W1AW Frequency Measuring Test Set > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:33:09 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > CC: Subscribed ARRL Members:; > From: "ARRL Web site" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > SB QST @ ARL $ARLB010 > ARLB010 Spring 2008 W1AW Frequency Measuring Test Set > > ZCZC

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt EOL

2008-05-19 Thread Didier Juges
Phil, The T-E datasheet lists timing accuracy at +/-15nS (1 sigma), where did you get the spec that says 20? Also, the antenna connector on the T-E is a BNC, the old T has an F connector. Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt EOL

2008-05-18 Thread Didier Juges
Connector layout on the E version is different, so for sure it's a different design. Also, the PPS acuracy is 15nS versus 20nS (1 sigma) for the older model. I have not looked farther than that in the spec. Didier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [time-nuts] Dranetz meter

2008-05-16 Thread Didier Juges
For NiCad and NiMH batteries, check www.allelectronics.com They have some with tabs that are really inexpensive and work well. I have rebuilt several ham radio battery packs with these batteries (I bought two cases of 40 of the AAs with tabs, no problem). Didier KO4BB > -Original Message

Re: [time-nuts] Administrivia: Please don't use the "Spam" buttonto unsubscribe

2008-05-14 Thread Didier Juges
John Ackermann N8UR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didier Juges wrote: > > > While I applaud John for going through this for his non-paying customers, I > > could not blame him if he simply gave up on that... Easy for me to say since > > I don't use AOL :-

Re: [time-nuts] Administrivia: Please don't use the "Spam" buttonto unsubscribe

2008-05-14 Thread Didier Juges
There are many reasons why a person might want to stay with a particular ISP for mail. I don't but one of my friend does, and that has been a subject of conversation between us in the past. While a fully qualified engineer, this person wants to keep her AOL mail account for a number of reasons, whi

Re: [time-nuts] HP/Agilent 5065A Rubidium Vapour frequency standardproblem - fixed

2008-05-11 Thread Didier Juges
Have you checked the many 10811 documents on my web site? http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl Searchg for 10811 Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Phillips > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 12:14 PM > To: Discussion

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-11 Thread Didier Juges
I can see we now agree this was a silly discussion :-) Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike S > Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 5:43 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] H

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-10 Thread Didier Juges
Sounds good to me :-) Thanks for a useful suggestion. Didier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:49 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts]

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-10 Thread Didier Juges
This is exactly why I should not have started that thread. But since I started this, I have to finish it. I confused you with specification requirement and acceptance requirement. Here is where this came from: In our business (custom military hardware), we receive a specification from the custome

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-10 Thread Didier Juges
age- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike S > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:36 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B > > At 10:43 AM 5/10/2008, Didier Juges wrote... > (correcte

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-10 Thread Didier Juges
y, May 10, 2008 9:19 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B > > At 09:22 AM 5/10/2008, Didier Juges wrote... > >Most microwave network analyzers have amplitude resolution > of 0.01dB, > >while their accuracy is

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-10 Thread Didier Juges
] HP 5370B > > At 09:22 AM 5/10/2008, Didier Juges wrote... > >Most microwave network analyzers have amplitude resolution > of 0.01dB, > >while their accuracy is just around 1dB in most cases. > > > >I have had to argue too many times that a piece of equipment &g

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-10 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Didier Juges > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:08 AM > To: Time-Nuts > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B > > > That's a good illustration of the difference between &g

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-10 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: Magnus Danielson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:09 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B > > From: "Didier Juges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5370B

2008-05-09 Thread Didier Juges
Mark, The 5335 is specified at 9 digits/second of resolution, the 5370 is specified at 12 digits/second. That's 3 orders of magnitude better resolution. That brings up noise that at 9d/s is simply negligible. My two 5370s are rock stable if I only look at the 9 left-most digits. While it would

Re: [time-nuts] Plotting csv files

2008-05-08 Thread Didier Juges
Martyn, I have written a VB program to do that. There are plots on my web site. Send me the first few hundred lines of your data with some explanations about what the fields are and I'll see what I can do with it. Didier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [time-nuts] Fast frequency counting question

2008-05-05 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:12 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fast frequency counting question >

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt Group Buy, part 1

2008-05-05 Thread Didier Juges
Great news Tom and John. Thanks for taking the time on behalf of so many others. Anxiously waiting for more news, Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Van Baak > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:55 AM > To: Discussion of

Re: [time-nuts] Fast frequency counting question

2008-05-05 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:27 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fast frequency counting question > > John Miles wrote: > >

Re: [time-nuts] chumby

2008-05-05 Thread Didier Juges
Very interesting, that's a lot of hardware for $179. If that thing is still around by Christmas, that will make for a nice Christmas present... Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of christopher hoover > Sent: Sunday, May 04,

[time-nuts] FW: Favorite DC power Supply?

2008-05-02 Thread Didier Juges
Here are my 2 favorite power supplies. http://www.ko4bb.com/Test_Equipment/Power_Supplies.png The one on the left is a 30V/3A supply. The current limit is adjustable with a 10 turns pot, so it can be precisely set. I only use 3 turns of the 10 turns pot, so that one turn is one A, resolution is

Re: [time-nuts] sub cables...and GBR

2008-05-01 Thread Didier Juges
Well, I am not sure I can tell much about how modern repeater power supplies are made because I do not believe the spec I got is public domain, but I can tell you it's a little more elaborate than a power resistor in series with a shunt regulator, unfortunately. They are apparently running more th

Re: [time-nuts] sub cables

2008-04-30 Thread Didier Juges
Interestingly, my company just received an RFQ for DC/DC converters for trans-oceanic cables. Interesting specification. Among other things, 2,000,000 hours MTBF (the converters are multi-redundant) and, I like that part, 100% altitude tested :-) Something else you might find interesting: all repe

Re: [time-nuts] any experts at repairing WaveTek 288's?

2008-04-30 Thread Didier Juges
t looks like the electrolytics > are all NIC or Panasonic, not a no-name cap. > Still, I've seen my share of balky electrolytics. I was just > hoping someone had fixed this particular problem before and > could point to a likely component to try first. > > Scott >

Re: [time-nuts] any experts at repairing WaveTek 288's?

2008-04-30 Thread Didier Juges
It is not clear from your post if you did that test while under power or not. This is probably a Rotary Optical Encoder. It may need 5V to power the LEDs or light bulb that activate opto-sensors, so you probably need power applied and use a scope to check the outputs. Also, some devices only gener

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise & Jitter

2008-04-27 Thread Didier Juges
Then for good measure, read this one: http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/5)_GPS_Timing/John_Vig_Quartz_Crystal_Oscillato r_Tutorial.pdf Didier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Miles > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:15 AM > To: Discu

Re: [time-nuts] RS485/422/232 Chip

2008-04-26 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 8:51 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RS485/422/232 Chip > > > Any idea of the jitter of the An

Re: [time-nuts] RS485/422/232 Chip

2008-04-26 Thread Didier Juges
I am using the LTC1535 in an application right now, and if you need RS-485, it is pretty neat. It includes the hardware to drive a small transformer that will provide you with an isolated 5V floating supply too. However, I am MUCH more impressed with the Analog Devices ADuM5241ARZ which not only h

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost logic analyzer

2008-04-25 Thread Didier Juges
Ulrich, If it stops after a while you have it made. Set the trigger to normal and the scope will record the last transaction... Well, I am sure it is more complicated than that, but my toughest I2C problem was a serial EEPROM that I was polling (for read) continuously several times per second.

Re: [time-nuts] GSyncQ GPS Evalution Kits && NTPns

2008-04-25 Thread Didier Juges
One issue with RS-485 is that the Tx and Rx lines are shared and the driver chip has to be told which direction it is supposed to work. This is usually done in the serial driver code using one of the modem control lines. I am not sure if the NTP code provides that signal. If that signal is not avai

Re: [time-nuts] Disciplining Rubidium

2008-04-23 Thread Didier Juges
Antonio, Weight and power consumption are the first methods that come to mind :-) You are hitting the time-nuts nail right on the head. You cannot rank just two clocks, you need at least three, so that you can compare them 2 by 2 and determine statistically the performance of each by comparaison

Re: [time-nuts] Ovenaire 10 MHz OSC 49-69 PIN OUT

2008-04-20 Thread Didier Juges
Have you checked my manuals page? http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl Search for "Ovenair" There are pictures and an email indicating the Ovenair 49-62 was Option 1 for the HP 8656A signal generator, and information is available in that manual. Send me a direct email if you can't find the ma

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency reference

2008-04-20 Thread Didier Juges
> Attila Kinali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on Sun 20 Apr 2008 > 05:50:21 AM PDT: > > > On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:47:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00) "Richard W. Solomon" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> You can build a very good GPSDO for about $100 in parts. > > > > Stupid question, but if one builds his on

Re: [time-nuts] 5 MHZ PIC PPS Divider?

2008-04-13 Thread Didier Juges
Tom, While the outputs change state synchronously with the clock, there may be many gates and latches inside the chip between the clock pin and the output, and the delay through those will be affected by temperature, supply voltage glitches and ground bounce, things that are not necessarily very w

Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction

2008-04-06 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Magnus Danielson > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:18 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS noise reduction > > Actually, in this application will a bit of int

Re: [time-nuts] Attenuation of typical roof? (at GPS frequencies)

2008-04-01 Thread Didier Juges
The links are thoroughly messed up here, not sure what happened with Outlook, so I'll try again (plain text): http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/5)_GPS_Timing/E10589_Propagation_Losses_2_and_5 GHz.pdf If the link is broken, just go to http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl and search for E10589 D

Re: [time-nuts] Attenuation of typical roof? (at GPS frequencies)

2008-04-01 Thread Didier Juges
I found this paper: HYPERLINK "http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/5)_GPS_Timing/E10589_Propagation_Losses_2_and_ 5GHz.pdf"http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/5)_GPS_Timing/E10589_Propagation_Losse s_2_and_5GHz.pdf If the link is broken, just go to HYPERLINK "http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl"http://

Re: [time-nuts] Attenuation of typical roof? (at GPS frequencies)

2008-04-01 Thread Didier Juges
Some Wi-Fi hardware manuals (haha) have installation instructions and they give rough indication of the attenuation through common obstacles such as walls, floors and whatnot. I remember seing one of those not long ago actually but I have no idea where it is :-( The frequencies are close enough th

Re: [time-nuts] Adding prescaler to HP 5334B

2008-03-31 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:28 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Adding prescaler to HP 5334B > > D

Re: [time-nuts] Adding prescaler to HP 5334B

2008-03-31 Thread Didier Juges
mA. > > Keith > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Didier Juges > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:56 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Addin

Re: [time-nuts] Adding prescaler to HP 5334B

2008-03-31 Thread Didier Juges
I was thinking of buying a few dual shottkys (series configuration) in SOT-23 package and I thought it would be a piece of cake finding those, but interestingly, my usual part vendors (Digikey, Mouser, Newark, Allied) don't carry any that I could use, at least if they do, I did not find them. Any

Re: [time-nuts] T-bolt elevation error...

2008-03-30 Thread Didier Juges
No because the GPS receiver takes into account the signals from more than one satellite. What matters is the relative phase of these signals as they reach the antenna. The relative phase of these signals does not change as the signals go down the cable. The delay in the cable is inconsequential as

Re: [time-nuts] TADD-1 six channel RF distribution amplifier

2008-03-28 Thread Didier Juges
The phase plots on tvb's web site http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/tadd-1/3phase2.gif show that the device's temperature was never stabilized. The closest to being stable is at the 29 minute point on that plot. Particularly when the phase value goes up (not sure if it's when temperature goes up or

Re: [time-nuts] Tboltmon Serial Port Selection...??

2008-03-27 Thread Didier Juges
8:02 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tboltmon Serial Port Selection...?? > > Quoth Didier Juges at 2008-03-28 11:03... > > I wish I knew how to bypass that too, so if you find out, > please post > > the answer back h

Re: [time-nuts] Tboltmon Serial Port Selection...??

2008-03-27 Thread Didier Juges
I wish I knew how to bypass that too, so if you find out, please post the answer back here. On the other hand, if you have not already noticed, if the Tbolt is up and running and plugged in the serial port when the computer boots, your mouse will appear possessed. It is a Windows "feature" where

Re: [time-nuts] 58532a ANTENNA CABLE?

2008-03-27 Thread Didier Juges
Besides, they smile a lot, so they must be happy :-) Didier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Oneto > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:11 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] Buffering the 1pps output from a Z3801A

2008-03-26 Thread Didier Juges
The Thunderbolt's output impedance on the PPS output is much less than 50 ohms, more like 5 ohms. If you terminate the other end of the cable with a good 50 ohms termination, you will be OK, even though it would be better to put a ~47 ohms series resistor right at the TB output before driving the

Re: [time-nuts] NI GPIB cards

2008-03-20 Thread Didier Juges
It is always hard to tell with NI because they are so mumm about their designs. If the new card works with old drivers (most will), it is probably a repackaged version of the old card with more of the stuff in a gate array or xPLD instead of discretes. If it requires (or recommends) a new driver, i

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5334B C-channel--was Re: Which HP Frequency Counter?

2008-03-20 Thread Didier Juges
tic flip flops from vendors such > as Micrel and OnSemi, rather than installing the MB506. You > can easily glue an SMT prescaler to the board upside down in > the footprint where the MB506 goes, and then connect the > "dead bug" with little wires to the MB506 connections

Re: [time-nuts] Which HP Frequency Counter?

2008-03-08 Thread Didier Juges
The HP 5334A or B with the C channel option has a sensitivity spec of -30dBm (from memory) up to 1 GHz or so. The C channel has 15mV rms sensitivity at 1 GHz. The C channel option is rare, but it only requires 3 parts (a diviser and two dual-shottkys) and a connector (and a hole in the front panel

Re: [time-nuts] Mounting GPS Antenna on Steel Roof

2008-03-08 Thread Didier Juges
The MAX232, like all RS-232 interface chips I have ever come across, inverts the signal. Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:48 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re

Re: [time-nuts] Mounting GPS Antenna on Steel Roof

2008-03-07 Thread Didier Juges
For isolation of digital signals such as RS-232 (before level translation), it's hard to find something more amazing than the Analog Device ADuM5241 http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,ADUM5241,00.html It's an SO-8 device, with two digital channels, isolated to 2500V (!) and a built-in power con

Re: [time-nuts] Mounting GPS Antenna on Steel Roof

2008-03-04 Thread Didier Juges
My experience is that when severe multipath occurs, even when short distances are involved, the GPS receiver seems to get utterly confused and won't provide a solution. When I had my GPS antenna only about 2 feet away (above and to the side) from the top of a signal generator on the top of a c

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antenna Cable Splicing

2008-03-02 Thread Didier Juges
This issue has been addressed in previous threads, partly as a result of Trimble designing the Thunderbolt with F connector, intended for 75 ohm cable. Here is an excerpt from the Thunderbolt manual Page 39, section 3-5): Note – RG-59 is a 75 ohm coaxial cable. The ThunderBolt and the Bullet ant

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection

2008-03-01 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:25 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS-Attached Equipment Lightning Protection > > > Yes, this is the case, but it's easy

[time-nuts] Manual pages at ko4bb.com

2008-02-27 Thread Didier Juges
A quick update on my Manuals pages. The frames and the partial availability of my site are due to my switching ISP and trying to develop a secure and flexible backup solution. The manuals are not going away and these issues will be resolved in the next few days (with any luck). I have learned a b

Re: [time-nuts] For Sale HP-8405A

2008-02-24 Thread Didier Juges
Did not work, got this: We're Sorry. If you were looking for a particular product, please contact us to see if that item is currently in stock or you may Request a Quote for that product. Our inventory changes every day and the item you need may be available but not listed on our website. The

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly off-topic: How to take measurements atfixed intervals in Perl

2008-02-24 Thread Didier Juges
This is a very nice thread, in 2 days, I got two very useful utilities :-) Thanks Tom and John! I tried Tom's alarm utility while AVG was doing a virus scan on my computer. This normally slows everything down quite significantly, but alarm kept ticking regularly and the CPU utilisation of "alarm"

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly off-topic: How to take measurements at fixed intervals in Perl

2008-02-23 Thread Didier Juges
Simple and sweet, thanks John! Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:53 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] Slightly

Re: [time-nuts] favorite microcontroller module?

2008-02-21 Thread Didier Juges
Most of my projects have a serial port and a standard comm interface. Once I get that up and running, I use it for debugging. That's the point where I start to breathe better too :-) I have had my share of grief with emulators also. It was not enough that they cost $1,000's and required these mon

Re: [time-nuts] Best OS for small time server

2008-02-21 Thread Didier Juges
Atime implementation on Linux (and I suspect maybe other *nix as well) was, well, bad, maybe still is. Even if files are in the cache, the OS will update atime on the disk. There were talks of fixing that on Linux a while back, I am not sure if it has been done. I lost track. In the mean time, -o

[time-nuts] KO4BB's Manuals page

2008-02-21 Thread Didier Juges
Considering the access problems I have had with my ISP in the last couple of months, I have switched my domain www.ko4bb.com to my backup ISP. It will take a day or so for the DNS system to flush itself. In the mean time, you can access it through http://www.eds-fl.com The original site's loca

Re: [time-nuts] favorite microcontroller module?

2008-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:12 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] favorite microcontroller module? > > Bob Paddock wrote: >

Re: [time-nuts] favorite microcontroller module?

2008-02-20 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Chuck, > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:21 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] favorite microcontroller module? > > When yo

Re: [time-nuts] Irradiated crystals

2008-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
This is probably done for the same reason space electronics is rad-hardened by prior irradiation of the semi-conductor material before chips are difused on the crystal. You normally would gain nothing by doing that for earth bound equipment, unless you are in the military. I think it only speeds u

Re: [time-nuts] favorite microcontroller module?

2008-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Vassar > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 5:36 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] favorite microcontroller module? > ... > I regard PIC c

Re: [time-nuts] favorite microcontroller module?

2008-02-15 Thread Didier Juges
My favorite uC familly is made by Silabs. They have a line of 8051 variants with excellent performance (up to 100 MIPS) and the SDCC compiler is free. I have documented the main reasons for liking it there: http://www.eds-fl.com/cgi-bin/wiki/wiki.cgi?SiLabs (nomal ko4bb.com web site is down ton

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Locked and Unlocked Performance Comparison

2008-02-14 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Said, I am not sure which part we eventually selected. I will let you know, they are NOT cheap... In our application, temperature stability and initial unadjusted acuracy were the prime parameters we were looking for, and the Thaler references certainly deliver on both accounts. The MSC1210

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Locked and Unlocked Performance Comparison

2008-02-14 Thread Didier Juges
Hi Said, It seems we are at the same point. I have been using a TI/Burr-Brown microprocessor with a 24 bit ADC and 8 input multiplexer (the MSC1210, which is actually advertised as a precision ADC which happens to have a full blown 8051, 32k of Flash and all the usual goodies including a long time

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 43, Issue 35

2008-02-14 Thread Didier Juges
Martyn, What is the type of oscillator used as the frequency reference of the SR620? How is it characterized? Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martyn Smith > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:36 AM > To: time-nuts@f

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Locked and Unlocked Performance Comparison

2008-02-14 Thread Didier Juges
Said, What 24 bit DAC do you have in mind? I have been looking for a standalone 24 bit DAC in a small package and have not found anything I liked :-( Thanks Didier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednes

Re: [time-nuts] gps timing antennas

2008-02-14 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 5:07 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] gps timing antennas > > > I would suspect that the

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt Rs-232 Levels

2008-02-14 Thread Didier Juges
RS-232 specs are just about totally obsolete, but at the time they meant anything, they required that RS-232 receivers work with as little as +/- 3V and that they accept +/- 18V at least before failing. Signals between +3V and -3V are unspecified and therefore may generate an undetermined state. Ho

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Locked and Unlocked Performance Comparison

2008-02-12 Thread Didier Juges
To me, the interesting part is that both the Thunderbolt and the Miller designs appear to degrade the performance of the OCXO in locked mode at short Tau compared to unlocked. The Z3801 does very well < 300sec, but degrades the ADEV at Tau farther out. The Fury does best, never worse locked than un

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B practical question

2008-02-02 Thread Didier Juges
I am sure it can't have anything to do with it ;-) but the 5370B is only specified to 100 MHz. My 5370A stops working around that frequency. Try simply dividing the frequency by two and see what happens, or mix it down just enough with a stable oscillator so that the IF is below 100MHz and the im

Re: [time-nuts] (no subject)

2008-01-26 Thread Didier Juges
There were several of them, must be subliminal... Anyone tried to run some descrambling code on it? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rex > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:50 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measu

Re: [time-nuts] Low phase noise digital divider (in 600MHz to10MHz area)

2008-01-25 Thread Didier Juges
There was a thread some time ago just about that. It was probably 2007, so if you look in the archives, you should find it. I will look for it too, as I want to index it for future reference, and if I find it first, I'll post it again. Didier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [time-nuts] Ovenaire OSC 49-61C

2008-01-23 Thread Didier Juges
There are two versions of the 10811. One is as you describe, the other has feedthrough pins and a small 5 pin connector. Specs are on my web site: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=HP_Agilent/HP_-_10811_Crystal_Oven_Oscillator Didier KO4BB Jeff Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Ovenaire OSC 49-61C

2008-01-23 Thread Didier Juges
Here is the spec for the Ovenair 49-62 Hopefully it will be close enough to be helpful. http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=5)_GPS_Timing/Ovenair_OSC_49-62_0950-0411 Didier KO4BB Geoff Blake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I know this has been asked before - but I haven't fo

Re: [time-nuts] indoor GPS test.

2008-01-22 Thread Didier Juges
What kind of GPS unit are you trying to borrow? Don't remember seeing any message to that effect. Didier KO4BB Ronald Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have had no success getting anyone to loan me their GPS units. Does > anyone have suggestions as to what inexpensive unit to purchase, wh

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-20 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:44 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB > > Nothing like actual measurements to fully c

Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-20 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Griffiths > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:31 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] RFTG-m-RB > > Bruce Griffiths wrote: > >> Dividing by 3

[time-nuts] FW: RFTG-m-RB

2008-01-20 Thread Didier Juges
John, The schematic of the 3586 Ext Reference input shows the 10 MHz going directly into what looks like an ECL line receiver, so a square wave should not bother it. Here is a link to the page of the schematic: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/search.pl?search=8-H-5-6b.jpg Didier > -Origina

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: inexpensive USB analog-digitalconverter?

2008-01-18 Thread Didier Juges
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:58 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: inexpensive USB > analog-digitalconverter?

Re: [time-nuts] 20 bit+ (Slightly OT: inexpensive USB analog-digital converter?)

2008-01-18 Thread Didier Juges
Patrick, For $99, you can buy a Silabs C8051F350 development kit which includes a microcontroller with built-in 24 bit, 8 channel A/D converter with serial port and the development tools. http://www.silabs.com/tgwWebApp/public/web_content/products/Microcontrollers /Precision_Mixed-Signal/en/C8051

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: inexpensive USB analog-digitalconverter?

2008-01-18 Thread Didier Juges
b.com/Test_Equipment/HP10811-Current.png Here is the link to the Linear Tech page on high side current sense (again): http://www.linear.com/ad/current_sense.jsp Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Didier Juges > Sent: F

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: inexpensive USB analog-digital converter?

2008-01-18 Thread Didier Juges
I forgot the link: http://www.linear.com/ad/current_sense.jsp Didier KO4BB > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hal Murray > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 3:55 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: R

Re: [time-nuts] Slightly OT: inexpensive USB analog-digital converter?

2008-01-18 Thread Didier Juges
Be careful that if you do not isolate the A/D converter analog circuits from the USB ground, you may create all sorts of nasty ground loops with the computer. When dealing with power supplies, it's always best to be isolated. I do not know enough about USB to know if it can be simply isolated with

Re: [time-nuts] How to measure regulator noise?

2008-01-06 Thread Didier Juges
John, Have you looked at the voltage with a scope at the same time the analyzer is running? Could the coupling capacitor be leaking ? Didier > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Ackermann N8UR > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:18

Re: [time-nuts] xtal oscillator phase noise, parallel versus series

2008-01-02 Thread Didier Juges
I think the main difference between parallel and series resonance is that in parallel resonance mode, the capacitance of the crystal holder and wiring to the crystal is part of the frequency determining parameters, and in series mode it is not. So it may have a slight effect on temperature stabi

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