Re: [time-nuts] Leap seconds now showing on GPS satellites

2012-02-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
is a very important application that wants to know as far in advance as possible: the "Tell the humans" application. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to

Re: [time-nuts] Leap seconds now showing on GPS satellites

2012-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
0a2 0.285215728 18 -1198 25 274 00 850 0a2 0.301992944 22 1007 17 317 00 850 0a2 0.369101808 27182 83 285 00 850 0a2 0.452987888 28 -2682 33 58 00 8 49 0 a2 0.469765104 -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] PicoPSU power supplies

2012-02-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
odel of PicoPSU. Some of them are strictly 12V, they just connect the input to the 12V rail. Others have car and truck compatible input ranges. I belive they use the color of the ATC connector to indicate the input range. http://www.mini-box.com/DC-DC -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNI

Re: [time-nuts] GPS SDR (was: FE-.5680A trimming resolution)

2012-02-01 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
-4GHz these days, so I would expect you could find something that can be used... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be exp

Re: [time-nuts] FE-.5680A trimming resolution

2012-01-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
very interesting time-nuts features with respect to the GPIO pins. Unfortunately I have not been able to find out if these pins are accessible on the Intel ethernet cards. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB-ETH - Linux examples ?

2012-01-30 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I know the GPIB-ETH is just like the GPIB-USB, except you open a socket in stead of as (usb-) serial port. I switched from C to python for stuff like this. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD

Re: [time-nuts] establishing your position w/o gps

2012-01-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
in inclination) stellar transits relative to each other. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained

Re: [time-nuts] establishing your position w/o gps

2012-01-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ordinate system and the position of the telescope the unknown, so you did it by observing stars with documented coordinates with your new telescope and then you set your clock and calculated your lattitude accordingly. Remember: back then longitude and time were as single convolved coordinate. -

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style

2012-01-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <041401ccda19$21917480$64b45d80$@pop.net>, "John Miles" writes: >> For porlogix I'll take a look at the timelab source, We really need a tine-nuts wiki to record stuff like this... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org

Re: [time-nuts] finding time astronomically.

2012-01-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e of a rotating liquid metal mirror to a lesser degree to interaction with the earths magnetic field. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequate

Re: [time-nuts] finding time astronomically.

2012-01-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ra/telescope/transit-circle has a known and stable geometric relationship to the planet Earth. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be

Re: [time-nuts] Determination of the placement of the first pps

2012-01-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ld not represent a parallax error in our measurements of their posisiton. The measurements are done with VLBI, which is a good google search to learn more about this. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] New unit of time measurement

2012-01-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
in several European >cities. They are not used for cars here in Denmark because a certain testosterone driven segment of drivers think they are in pole-position when they see a count-down. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 95

Re: [time-nuts] New unit of time measurement

2012-01-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
act length, but seeing a lot more >examples lately. You are not the first researcher of this interesting phenomena: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cellphone-ban-would-be-a-distraction/2011/12/16/gIQAdv2GyO_story.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@fre

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A Mechanical Question

2012-01-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
because I >have been looking for one. Check out the ADUC 7061 chip from analog: ARM7 + 2x24bit ADC. The ADC ony does 8ksps and generally levels out around 21 bits, but still very interesting for many purposes, in particular because of the built in chopper. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNI

Re: [time-nuts] OT re, Sacramento River Monitor

2012-01-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
m, where the satellite tells the stations when their chance is ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

Re: [time-nuts] cheap USB voltage sensor

2012-01-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
s://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/q7Lq4oAX_0347S8BO0eHSA Did you try to hold the battery in your hand while you did that ? :-) Be aware that once you get to approx microvolt, you have to take into account things like the temperature difference between plug and socket because the thermoelectric e

Re: [time-nuts] GPS interference and history...

2012-01-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
s of sodium from the cooling system creating quite a mess. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be expla

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
nt preformance, you circulate a constant temperature liquid in the cooling circuit using a little pump and a peltier. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice wha

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <201201062016.q06kg3vj016...@mail32c40.carrierzone.com>, ed breya wr ites: >That stuff at Home Depot is the way to go. You can use regular >styrofoam [...] Just remember that clean styrofoam is great at static electricity... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zil

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
mperature differences. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___ tim

Re: [time-nuts] Thermal insulation choice?

2012-01-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
the kind you put under your sleeping bag ? They're cheap, and usually impregnated against anything that might conceiveably try to eat them. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-ta

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.) >> capacitors

2012-01-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
| >> - C1 >> - >> | >> GND -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD com

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.) >> capacitors

2012-01-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
eakage entirely ? [Some op-amp] >-++--> || | - | - | | +--||+ | - - | | GND -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC

Re: [time-nuts] How to read Isotemp OXCO131 part numbers?

2012-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Chris Albertson writes: >Anyone know how to read Isotemp OXCO131 part numbers? The suffix is a design number, and you cannot infer any specification from it, not even age, since some designs were produced over a long period of time. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zi

Re: [time-nuts] US New Year countdown - accurate?

2012-01-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
all that delay in the cheap coax they >> use !! >> >> 73, Dick, W1KSZ > >.. or a simpler decompression algorithm, or faster processor Most likely the TV with the larger display buffers more in order to be able to interpolate in higher quality. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] Distance between GPS Antennae

2011-12-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
n > variation. Some newer GPS's have a built in accelerometer chip and will apply much more rigid filters if no motion is detected. If done well, it works great, if done badly you tap your GPS receiver lightly and the position jumps 50 meter in a random direction. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] Time-nut for Congress?

2011-12-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
D source code, and I'm sure he has other complaints about my person as well. I on the other hand, only wish Micahel would seek professional help for his mental problems. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD commi

Re: [time-nuts] [WOT] Justice Party

2011-12-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4eee405b.3050...@pacific.net>, Brooke Clarke writes: >DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE HERE. s/REPLY TO/POST/ ? Talk about being totally of-topic for time-nuts... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: [time-nuts] Javad Ashaee

2011-12-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <015001ccbc34$7ce893c0$76b9bb40$@rr.com>, "Tom Holmes" writes: >Of course he does since he wants to sell his newly developed filters. My guess: His newly developed *and patented* filters. Javad is a very, very capitalistic guy. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UN

Re: [time-nuts] Line Volytage frequency Interface

2011-11-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
.co.uk/2006/07/28/the_odd_body_death_by_battery/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explaine

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies - dont' use Electrolytics

2011-11-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ps and gotten away with less than 1% of the original capacitance by doing a bit of calculations and measurements on the actual circuit. In one case, an audio circuit had 1000uF for a handful of opamps, using 4.7uF of good film capacitors instead reduced THD by 80%. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

[time-nuts] SDR GPS

2011-11-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Has any of you played with this: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/8238 -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies for time nuts circuitry

2011-11-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
stant loads, such as X-tal oscillators. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. __

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4ec95f99.80...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: >On 11/20/2011 08:55 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >It seems that nature has something to teach us. A whole bunch of new >physics have something new to work on. :) One of the really interesting things abo

Re: [time-nuts] Those pesky Neutrinos again...

2011-11-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ctromagnetic nature, there is really no reason to think relativity applies to them. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explai

Re: [time-nuts] Is a FS700 useable in the USA?

2011-11-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
other LORAN-C receiver can use. Your nearest station may be one of the Russian "Chayka" stations. PS: But I'm in the market for a cheap FS700, if you want to get rid of it again, but we need to find a sensible way to ship it to Denmark... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zil

Re: [time-nuts] Atomic clocks - Why alkali metals?

2011-10-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
t all. At least i >couldnt find any papers or other documents describing frequency >standards build on these elements. I belive K has been tried. I belive the preference for H, Rb & Cs is that getting them as single atoms doesn't require high temperatures. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] SLIP vs Ethernet for NTP

2011-10-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4ea481bd.20...@earthlink.net>, Jim Lux writes: >On 10/23/11 11:39 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >I think the electromechanicals top out at 110 bps, [...] Actually 300 bps. Tape readers/punches were much faster than type-writers and later typewriters (ball/daisy-whee

Re: [time-nuts] SLIP vs Ethernet for NTP

2011-10-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
5% into the start bit, because the prell is not symmetric, but this was not adopted. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequatel

Re: [time-nuts] SLIP vs Ethernet for NTP

2011-10-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
sly causing packet delays and you can hook it into a switch and >get delays and packet losses there. I usually cure that by using fiber-based ethernet, which leaves a lot less to plug it into. Also firewall rules preventing anything but port 123 packets helps a lot. RS-232 has surprisingly bad jitt

Re: [time-nuts] [volt-nuts] Safe power-up. was (Solartron 7075 ...)

2011-10-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
eral purpose, tester for >Old (and new) equipment. That procedure is fine for linear power-supplies, but not resonably modern switch-modes. In particular, anything that has PFC correction is not going to respond too well to variable voltage like that. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilo

Re: [time-nuts] You can build a fountain from the things you find at home...

2011-09-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e brew stuff. USNO gave up on stainless, too much magnetic field. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequatel

Re: [time-nuts] You can build a fountain from the things you find at home...

2011-09-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
laser-based cesium to consider. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by i

Re: [time-nuts] You can build a fountain from the things you find at home...

2011-09-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
;t need 4 separate shields, niobium surface etc. That said, it's probably not a one weekend task. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what

Re: [time-nuts] You can build a fountain from the things you find at home...

2011-09-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
No mention was made thereof. With good getters I'm not sure the water would be a problem. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequatel

[time-nuts] You can build a fountain from the things you find at home...

2011-09-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Gentlemen, start your lathes... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by in

Re: [time-nuts] Fast than light neutrino

2011-09-25 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
co people keep their hands off after the calibration. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be expla

Re: [time-nuts] seeking a time/clock software architecture

2011-09-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
saying "put it in an ASCII text file". Well, it's easier to deal with newlines in strings in XML, but otherwise I fully agree :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBS

Re: [time-nuts] Fast than light neutrino

2011-09-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ock path is actually used as sort of a filter for the neutrinos, nothing else goes through 730km bedrock so if you see anything coming from that direction, you can be pretty certain that it is neutrinos. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC

Re: [time-nuts] seeking a time/clock software architecture

2011-09-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ission requirements. There is a heck of a difference between a commercial geo-stationary comms satelite and Gravity Probe B and Gaia. One can always say "put it in XML and hope for the best" but that's not much of a standard, is it ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX

Re: [time-nuts] seeking a time/clock software architecture

2011-09-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
m one example is generalizing from no examples at all. (From Gettys rules for X11) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to

Re: [time-nuts] seeking a time/clock software architecture

2011-09-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
week, if we get anywhere near each other, I'd be happy to talk, shoot me an email: p...@freebsd.org -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-taho

Re: [time-nuts] Fast than light neutrino

2011-09-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
t on photons having rest-mass, because that would leave the theory of relativity standing and confine the damage to only the already somewhat troubled standard-model. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Fast than light neutrino

2011-09-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ivity is in trouble. If 3 >= 1 > 2, then only the standard model is in trouble, relativity unaffected. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what ca

Re: [time-nuts] new CSAC

2011-09-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , brent evers writes: >What's the particular application of those two specific freqs? I.e., >multiple (fundamental) of a specific gps clock, etc? Telecom. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBS

Re: [time-nuts] Google NTP Servers and smearing leap seconds...

2011-09-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20110916084529.80082q5qgwy5p...@host111.hostmonster.com>, xaos@dark smile.net writes: And you can forget most physicists and metrologists as well, the do not want wavelengths, half-lifes and energies to depend on the time of day... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilo

Re: [time-nuts] More 60 Hz graphs

2011-09-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
em about configurations which are unstable, but in general the thinking that it would be possible to build an analytical model of the grid died with decentral productions uptake a decade ago. Try running a suitably windowed FFT on your data... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeu

Re: [time-nuts] Averaging Location for Position Hold

2011-09-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
he satelites used. You may find some inspiration here: http://phk.freebsd.dk/raga/sneak/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequatel

Re: [time-nuts] 60 Hz graphs

2011-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
eq.png In your /etc/ntp.conf, make sure all "server" lines have "maxpoll 6" -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adeq

Re: [time-nuts] HP quality

2011-09-11 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
e-sign". The only thing you have to document subsequently, is that all cars had at least one tire kicked. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malic

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB adapter w/Tektronix TDS320

2011-09-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
screen. Make sure you have not set it to a 75dpi type by accident, I did that once and spent some time figuing out what was going on. I usually use the EPS format since that is that doesn't get distorted when you scale it in a document. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.2

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB adapter w/Tektronix TDS320

2011-09-09 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
scope does not send EOI to signal that the screen-dump is complete, you have to look out for the ASCII Form-Feed (0x0c) character. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attrib

time-nuts@febo.com

2011-09-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ook: They pushed the button on all but three above ground detonations and on almost all the underground ones as well. >From: Poul-Henning Kamp >To: li...@lazygranch.com >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Looking for information on >E

time-nuts@febo.com

2011-09-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
funny & interesting book: http://www.amazon.com/NUCLEAR-HOSTAGES-Bernard-J-OKeefe/dp/0395340721 -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what ca

Re: [time-nuts] Active LORAN antenna

2011-08-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
her than 50Z Mind you, I don't dispute that you may be right, I just don't think you have data to back up your claim... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never a

Re: [time-nuts] Active LORAN antenna

2011-08-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Bob Camp" writes: >The blocking cap on the input to the Trask amp really isn't needed >with a monopole. It's also unlikely to survive >the summer. The real question is weather if fails open or as a short... I put mine up two years ago, and it still wo

Re: [time-nuts] Active LORAN antenna

2011-08-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
http://ing.dk/artikel/96239-min-stakkels-revisor -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately

Re: [time-nuts] Active LORAN antenna

2011-08-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
. In the other end it reliably pulls out the Russian ELF (OMEGA like) navigation system down around 10kHz. Chris mentioned that a kit might be underway, but I havn't seen any sign of it anywhere... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP sinc

Re: [time-nuts] X72 Rb units, any experience ?

2011-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Mark Sims writes: > >I have a couple of the horrid little beasties... the sine wave >output is really nasty. Nasty in what way ? Noise ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer |

[time-nuts] X72 Rb units, any experience ?

2011-08-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I'm in the market for a new Rb for general use, and noticed that we have heard surprising little about the X72 on the list ? Anybody got any experience to share ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD comm

Re: [time-nuts] Why not TAI?

2011-08-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
is also a paper clock, and the real time approximations of it, UTC(NPL), UTC(NIST) etc, are exactly as good or bad as their TAI parallels. In fact, they are by *definition* exactly as good or bad, because UTC is defined as an integral number of seconds offset from TAI. -- Poul-Henning Kamp

Re: [time-nuts] Why not TAI? (was: The future of UTC)

2011-08-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <20110810074152.496cb081.att...@kinali.ch>, Attila Kinali writes: >On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:57:45 +0000 >"Poul-Henning Kamp" wrote: > >> Everybody but the time-lords have always been told to stay away from >> TAI in the strongest possible terms by s

[time-nuts] Marrisons 1948 article

2011-08-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
BSTJ has been put online, and amongst other gems are Marrisons paper on quartz clocks from 1948: http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/vol27-1948/bstj-vol27-issue03.html -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: [time-nuts] Weird TEC data

2011-08-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
them in both directions over time (weeks, months). -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

Re: [time-nuts] Weird TEC data

2011-08-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ansformer phase-lag in the grid, but the real test is to collect more data and see if you ever see the difference move the other way. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attr

Re: [time-nuts] Variation in Radioactive Decay Rate with Solar Activity

2011-08-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ll events as possible, so high activity is bad because you run into detector dead-time and double events. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can a

Re: [time-nuts] Variation in Radioactive Decay Rate with Solar Activity

2011-08-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
uple of hundred miles north of Tokyo ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _

Re: [time-nuts] Weird TEC data

2011-08-03 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
3.5*N because every laptop and UPS starts charging their batteries. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequ

Re: [time-nuts] Electronics Question

2011-07-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4e30be7c.7060...@comcast.net>, Steve Longcor writes: >The M12 is 3V logic. I assume the net4501 is 5V logic, No, the net4501 is 3.3V. Also: COM2's TXD and RXD are available at 3.3V level in the GPIO connector. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zil

Re: [time-nuts] European LORAN-C

2011-07-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
NASS. Since the LORAN-C cost was a small fraction of the Galileo cost, this was not the desired result and the report was supressed ("until Galileo is in operation") -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] Electronics Question

2011-07-27 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
re it over a year, you need a Cs to measure against. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequat

Re: [time-nuts] European LORAN-C

2011-07-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
d have not been since the USCG left them approx 20 years ago. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 firmware hacking status report

2011-07-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
tps://github.com/bsdphk/pylt > Big advantages over using Ethernet if you don't already have a network setup. Ethernets big advantage is that it is galvanically isolated, USB is not. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 Free

Re: [time-nuts] 5370 firmware hacking status report

2011-07-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ounter in software. The obvious idea for advanced functionality is calculation of allan deviations -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequat

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
an operate on first derivative of the RTT, which turns the routed upgrade into a single spiky sample, but the cost is an overall higher noise in your error signal. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD sin

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
selected pool servers. It would be far easier to spoof WWV, >just set up a transmitter. NTPd does build a consensus, it picks a winner. If you want to do something like this, the one thing you want to do is hand-pick the NTP server you use, and clamp its minpoll/maxpoll to the same value.

Re: [time-nuts] Rb cooling

2011-07-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Rb on a huge lump of iron which you can keep at a constant temperature around 35-40°C by natural convection. Iron is better than Cu/brass/Al because it conducts heat slower and less eagerly, thus attenuating ambient temperature fluctuations. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Z

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-16 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
gone before you know it. :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. ___

Re: [time-nuts] Panel Mount Frequency Counter

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ed up to a 8-digit LED display and an xtal, containing the entire digital part of a frequency counter. Alternatively, many microcontrollers have counter-inputs that can run that fast. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
use that for whatever you want. Leap-seconds on the other hand are global and controlled by only the thinnest laquer of democratic control, so that is in no way comparable. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
d, other than we will know leap seconds 20 years in advance. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
to catch up with it over the next couple of decades. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explaine

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
without one. Nope, once they have scheduled a leap-second, it happens. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ery 20 seconds". If the time-lords want a leap second 2031-12-31, the have to say so before before 2011-12-31, if they want one 2032-06-30, they have to say so before 2012-06-30, etc. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeB

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4e2046db.3040...@erols.com>, Chuck Harris writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >I can see a 20 year prediction being seriously fraught with error. Not really, starting out with just one leap second every 18 months gets you pretty good first approximation. DUT1 would proba

Re: [time-nuts] Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4e203b6e.8090...@earthlink.net>, Jim Lux writes: >On 7/14/11 10:54 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >I think to do this kind of thing on a detectable scale with manmade >cause, we'll need to resort to some serious terraforming (bwahaha.. >project plowshare,

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
than >the Poul-Henning I am used to. I hope I am not treading on ground >you feel already is too well covered. It is very well covered on the leapsecs list, so I sort of think we should avoid rehashing all the same arguments and facts on this list also. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX si

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
960-ies, and it didn't work for anybody at all. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explaine

Re: [time-nuts] Primary Time Standards

2011-07-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
ol is almost certainly a prerequisite. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by

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