Re: [time-nuts] What sort of oscillator is this?

2014-09-28 Thread Richard Karlquist
I find it odd that an instrument that probably cost $50,000 when new did not have a TCXO as standard, and perhaps an oven as an option. But I think HP did this sort of thing a lot. Something that would have cost very little to add, became an expensive option. In some cases these expensive

Re: [time-nuts] A small piece on HP's hydrogen maser in 1968 - download

2014-02-24 Thread Richard Karlquist
Great articles in the result, though. I didn't know the whole history of this, even being in frequency standards at HP for years. I see there is a picture of Lou Mueller. He was extremely smart guy to work with. I learned an immense amount of physics from him. Rick Karlquist N6RK

Re: [time-nuts] Rb as source for ADEV?

2014-02-06 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2014-02-06 15:13, Tom Van Baak wrote: On ADEV -- I know the source code calls them adev and oadev, but you should just call it ADEV. No one uses the old back-to-back formula anymore; the overlapping formula is the default. And then plot using the all or many tau method I mentioned. /tvb I

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-11-08 15:49, gandal...@aol.com wrote: At 1000 MHz, the highest frequency I can generate right now, I've measured the channel 3 input sensitivity as -50dBm with a sinusoidal signal. Regards Nigel GM8PZR This high sensitivity is probably a bad thing, not a good thing. It is

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-11-08 17:38, gandal...@aol.com wrote: What do static and dynamic mean in that context? Is it the same as DRAM vs SRAM? If so, I don't see any obvious way that translates into one works The MB510 looks to be a series of flip-flops so presumably would be classified as a static

Re: [time-nuts] 3GHZ Extender for HP 53131A and 53132A

2013-11-08 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-11-08 18:07, Peter Gottlieb wrote: Maybe he means fixed vs. automatic gain (or threshold)? Perhaps a worry about picking up higher frequency noise on a lower frequency but larger signal you are looking to measure? Peter The problem is the opposite. Low frequency noise will wipe out

Re: [time-nuts] Need to measure frequencies of two sources simultaneously

2013-10-22 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-10-22 21:37, Bob Albert wrote: If the two frequencies are near one another you can measure the difference frequency, which may or may not be helpful. The difference frequency does not work for us, just as the ratio does not work for us. Thanks. Rick

Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?

2013-10-17 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-10-17 08:34, paul swed wrote: However homebrewing replacements is of interest. My experience is with the HP power meters. I have a number of working units. But darned if the meters no probes or cables show up for a few dollars at fleas. So last fall I built home brew bolometers. By god

Re: [time-nuts] HP 4193A 4815A probe compatibility?

2013-10-16 Thread Richard Karlquist
The 4815A used P channel FETs which were available 50 years ago and are now unobtainium. The 4193A used N channel FETs which were available 10 to 30 years ago and may even be currently available. They are DEFINITELY NOT INTERCHANGEABLE. This is according to ex-HP'er George Standford, who used

[time-nuts] Looking for 1 GHz low phase noise amplifier

2013-09-27 Thread Richard Karlquist
Can anyone suggest a low phase noise amplifier covering something like 10-1000 MHz? Gain should be 10 to 20 dB and phase noise should be spec'ed at +10 to +13 dBm output. Both close in and far out phase noise are of interest. Thanks in advance. Rick Karlquist

Re: [time-nuts] Yb clock - stability estimation procedure?

2013-08-27 Thread Richard Karlquist
On 2013-08-27 13:35, Florian Teply wrote: No, HP did not make the long tube Cs standards at NIST (as the NIST guys always love to point out) and they are very different animals than the ones you can buy. So, the international definition of the second has always been safe from manufacturer

Re: [time-nuts] Cs Tube Shipping

2011-01-15 Thread Richard Karlquist
I just wanted to mention that the CBT enclosure itself is an approved shipping container for cesium.  You can ship the CBT inside any random container.  Originally, the CBT's had to be shipped in some sort of approved crate doe to the cesium hazard. Rick Karlquist N6RK On Sat 15/01/11 10:59

Re: [time-nuts] Simple 5 to10MHz frequency doubler

2010-12-27 Thread Richard Karlquist
On Mon 27/12/10 3:28 PM , Alan Melia alan.me...@btinternet.com sent: Hi I have just broken up an old 10-Base-T 16 ay switch and recovered 16 DIL filter/isolating transformers ( identified as a 10F434 from YCL) and the spec an pin-out was still available on the YCL web site.worth a look

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature sensors and bridge amps

2010-11-13 Thread Richard Karlquist
The HP E9183A achieved 1 millidegree over -55 to +85C in a single oven.  The time lag was dealt with by adding a double integrator to PID. Rick Karlquist N6RK On Fri 12/11/10 8:26 AM , Bill Hawkins wrote: in the heater control loop. Of course, you can't get to a millidegree from ambient

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature sensors and bridge amps

2010-11-13 Thread Richard Karlquist
Yes, E1938A.  I was operating on limited sleep when I posted that. Rick On Sat 13/11/10 8:35 AM , Magnus Danielson wrote: On 11/13/2010 04:48 PM, Richard Karlquist wrote: The HP E9183A achieved 1 millidegree over -55 to +85C in a single oven. The time lag was dealt with by adding

Re: [time-nuts] Temperature sensors and bridge amps

2010-11-13 Thread Richard Karlquist
with, such as the heater supply voltage and the offset voltage of the first error amplifier. We are going for stability, not accuracy, right? Bill Hawkins P.S. Really good story to wind up the loosing things thread. -Original Message- From: Richard Karlquist Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 3:24 PM

Re: [time-nuts] Gamma-ray and jitter

2010-11-13 Thread Richard Karlquist
FWIW, you will notice that there is a high value resistor shunting the crystal in the 10811.  The reason for this is to drain off DC charge caused by cosmic rays hitting the crystal, according to the designers. Rick Karlquist N6RK On Sat 13/11/10 2:48 PM , iov...@inwind.it wrote: In the

Re: [time-nuts] Gamma-ray and jitter

2010-11-13 Thread Richard Karlquist
FWIW, you will notice that there is a high value resistor shunting the crystal in the 10811.  The reason for this is to drain off DC charge caused by cosmic rays hitting the crystal, according to the designers. Rick Karlquist N6RK On Sat 13/11/10 2:48 PM , iov...@inwind.it wrote: In the

Re: [time-nuts] Gamma-ray and jitter

2010-11-13 Thread Richard Karlquist
FWIW, you will notice that there is a high value resistor shunting the crystal in the 10811.  The reason for this is to drain off DC charge caused by cosmic rays hitting the crystal, according to the designers. Rick Karlquist N6RK On Sat 13/11/10 2:48 PM , iov...@inwind.it wrote: In the