Re: [time-nuts] J06 HP-59992A time interval calibrator for HP-531xx counters

2017-07-09 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 2:15 AM, Mark Sims wrote: > > So far my design is tending towards: 10MHz ref input -> Minicircuits doubler > -> Wenzel squarer -> 74AC74 divider -> 74AC04 buffer -> level shifter. The > doubler/divider might not be needed, but I think it will give a more > symmetric o

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Eagle PC CAD now Autodesk, $500/year

2017-01-20 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > Off topic, but probably a lot of disgrunted Eagle users on this list. > Its official, you will now have to pay $500 per year for a > professional license from Autodesk. The spin meistering of the > announcement would make George O

Re: [time-nuts] HP 59309A Clock runs, sets via GPIB, but no GPIB output?

2016-10-11 Thread Francesco Messineo
1818-2295A dump has been uploaded to ko4bb site, probably there's need to be moved in the right place before it's available. On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Francesco Messineo wrote: > Hi Dave, > right, once I find the dumps, I'll upload them. > thanks > Frank IZ8DWF

Re: [time-nuts] HP 59309A Clock runs, sets via GPIB, but no GPIB output?

2016-10-10 Thread Francesco Messineo
and 53 states, and with logic analyzer > watching the EEPROM it should be possible to follow along. It is a nice > little computer with constant time instructions, 64 bits of RAM. Each > instruction contains a conditional qualifier along with the next address, > very 1960s. &g

Re: [time-nuts] HP 59309A Clock runs, sets via GPIB, but no GPIB output?

2016-10-10 Thread Francesco Messineo
Hi Dave, right, once I find the dumps, I'll upload them. thanks Frank IZ8DWF On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Artek Manuals wrote: > Frank > > One of the best places to store ROM dumps for easy access by everyon is > KO4BB.com > > Dave > NR1DX > dit dit > &g

Re: [time-nuts] HP 59309A Clock runs, sets via GPIB, but no GPIB output?

2016-10-10 Thread Francesco Messineo
I have a dump of the 1818-2295A somewhere, it should be archived in one of my backups. I also made a replacement with a board having 2 x 28C64 SO-28 eeproms and it worked in my 59309A as far as I could test it. However these eeproms present many glitches on the outputs during address toggling, so i

Re: [time-nuts] The Symmetricom GPS Antenna's

2015-10-02 Thread Francesco Messineo
Same here, shipping costs to Italy were quoted at $65, no joy. I'll try to make some US friend buy one and re-send with cheaper method, if possible. On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Roy Phillips wrote: > For we Europeans, British in my case, the Symmetricom GPS antennas are very > good buy – but

Re: [time-nuts] HP5328A & HP5328B

2015-04-23 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: > Magnus wrote: > >> Would be fun to have a GPIB interface in the HP5328A > > > ??? I have 6 or 7 of these, and they all have HPIB interfaces. It was > option 011 for the 5328A. I believe all 5328Bs had HPIB as standard. Here > is a lin

Re: [time-nuts] PPS delay on rockwell

2015-02-16 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Hal Murray wrote: > > francesco.messi...@gmail.com said: >> I measured the PPS output with an HP-5328B, PPS of the thunderbolt as start, >> rising edge, rockwell PPS as stop, rising edge. The delay is 406.3 ms +/- 30 >> uS. > >> Are those numbers normal for a rock

[time-nuts] PPS delay on rockwell

2015-02-15 Thread Francesco Messineo
Hi all, I'm testing a custom (and unknown to me) GPS board I had for free some years ago. It has a 10 KHz output and 1 PPS output. Using a thunderbolt as reference, 10 KHz output is abut 13 mHz higher (10 MHz output of the thunderbolt is the time base of the counter, HP-5386A). I measured the PPS

Re: [time-nuts] tyco electronics A1025

2014-12-15 Thread Francesco Messineo
I reply to myself, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Francesco Messineo wrote: > > > I've found a couple of articles saying the A1025 indeed has PPS output > as I suspected. However, none of them reports any hint about the > pinout of this module. > The module itself

Re: [time-nuts] tyco electronics A1025

2014-12-15 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Brian Inglis wrote: > On 2014-12-14 10:29, Francesco Messineo wrote: > >> The A1029, which is a newer model, has indeed a PPS output and I've >> been able to find a datasheet for it but the pinout isn't anything >> like the A1025

Re: [time-nuts] tyco electronics A1025

2014-12-14 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >>> >>> It’s unlikely that a consumer targeted GPS has a good dedicated PPS out of >>> it. Finding one that will do position hold is even less likely. You can get >>> modules that will do both for < $20 and have a documented interface. >> >> that

Re: [time-nuts] tyco electronics A1025

2014-12-14 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Bob Camp wrote: > > Hi > > > On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:03 AM, Francesco Messineo > > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I've just found an old anti-theft system (I think) for cars . It has a tyco > > electronics A1205 gps mo

[time-nuts] tyco electronics A1025

2014-12-14 Thread Francesco Messineo
Hi all, I've just found an old anti-theft system (I think) for cars . It has a tyco electronics A1205 gps module. I've been unable to find any information about this module, other than it should be a 3.3V 12 channel GPS module with serial NMEA output. Does anyone have any informations about it? Eve

Re: [time-nuts] Divide by five

2014-11-08 Thread Francesco Messineo
Sorry if I hijack the thread... On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Said Jackson via time-nuts wrote: > Joe, > > This puppy can go to 166MHz over temp and has standard 100 mil pin spacing if > you put it into a socket: ATF16V8C > > I have not used PALs since 1992 but I used to be extremely fond of t

Re: [time-nuts] KO4BB.com

2014-09-28 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Didier Juges wrote: > Thank you for your patience and your support. thank to you for your service! I'm a *nix system administrator since 20 years (well, my job would turn 20 next year actually). So if you ever need any support, just ask. Frank __

[time-nuts] quartz oscillator injection locking

2014-06-24 Thread Francesco Messineo
Hi all, what would be the best method to try injection locking a butler common base crystal oscillator (see figure in http://www.eska.dk/oscillator_data.htm for schematic)? Any comment about close-in phase noise performance when adding injection locking to such oscillators? Thanks in advance for a

Re: [time-nuts] Low cost GPS module for < 100ns timestamping error

2014-05-04 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > Looks like this is all you'd need for most timing projects. Just add your > favorite OCXO and some wire. > > The SPARC (not Spark) is actually a step up from ARM. It was developed by > Sun Microsystems (now Oracle) it is optimized for thin

Re: [time-nuts] Is this ocxo salvageable?

2014-04-09 Thread Francesco Messineo
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:58 AM, David McQuate wrote: > The output looks differentiated, as would happen if the wire connecting the > internal circuit to the output pin became open, leaving only a very small > capacitance to couple the square wave out. I agree, I had a similar problem on an oscill

[time-nuts] Help OCXO ID

2014-01-25 Thread Francesco Messineo
Hello all, does anyone know what's the OCXO (or else) in this picture? http://www.electronicsurplus.it/open2b/var/catalog/images/1354/0-c26b2bc0-800.jpg I'm trying to understand if it's something worth buying, but I can't find any information on the site other than 5 MHz oven quartz oscillator (

Re: [time-nuts] Tboltmon and linux

2013-09-02 Thread francesco messineo
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Paul Alfille wrote: > I want to report that tboltmon works well on linux under Wine. > > I'm running fedora 19, 64-bit (so the executable is wine64) and tboltmon > version 2.6 > > Getting a com port pointing to a USB serial adapter is it's own project, but > quite

[time-nuts] DCF77 phase modulation receiver

2013-01-18 Thread francesco messineo
Hi all, has anyone tried to duplicate the following project: http://www.marvellconsultants.com/DCF Any comment? Best regards Frank ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ti

Re: [time-nuts] Cables dor 10 mHz

2012-07-31 Thread francesco messineo
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Chuck Harris wrote: > Chris Albertson wrote: > ... I wonder how many > > Or maybe more to the point, I wonder how many of us have installed > 10base5 cable, and done vampire taps? I think I still have one of > the tools around here somewhere... probably with my

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt "no UTC offset"

2012-05-01 Thread francesco messineo
On 5/1/12, saidj...@aol.com wrote: > Incorrect, the UTC offset should be sent in the Almanac, the Almanac > having a period of 12.5 minutes max. Not one hour. It should take no more > than > 12.5 minutes to get the UTC offset when sats are properly being received. when I posted my original enqui

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt "no UTC offset"

2012-05-01 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Hal, On 5/1/12, Hal Murray wrote: > > francesco.messi...@gmail.com said: >> I just powered on again my trimble thunderbolt after some time without >> antenna. All alarms are green but the obvious leap second pending. BUT: I >> can't use UTC time as both tboltmon and lady heather display a "No

[time-nuts] thunderbolt "no UTC offset"

2012-05-01 Thread francesco messineo
Hi all, I just powered on again my trimble thunderbolt after some time without antenna. All alarms are green but the obvious leap second pending. BUT: I can't use UTC time as both tboltmon and lady heather display a "No UTC offset" message. I don't remember having seen this in the past. What's wro

[time-nuts] again on GPS antennas

2012-04-11 Thread francesco messineo
Hi all, seeing this spec sheet: http://www.saderet.co.uk/Admin/Datasheet/New%20antenna_spec.pdf I was wondering why these antennas have so different GPS bandwidth. Does the BW affect performance of a trimble thunderbolt for example? Thanks in advance Frank IZ8DWF ___

Re: [time-nuts] Strange temperature peak

2011-05-27 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Alberto, On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Alberto di Bene wrote: > I left my Thunderbolt running with Lady Heather started. Returning after a > few hours in the room, > which is at a constant temperature (underground, no heating, no air > conditioning), I found the > following plot on the Lady

Re: [time-nuts] What's the best way to double 10 MHz to 20 MHz ?

2011-05-27 Thread francesco messineo
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Mark Spencer wrote: > Imho phase noise is probably as important as long term stability in this > application. for real and serious amateur radio dxing it's much more important the phase noise and IMD3 performance of the RX rather than stability. Not that stabili

Re: [time-nuts] Got 60HZ?

2010-12-09 Thread francesco messineo
Hello, On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Michael Poulos wrote: > Recently I bought a Efratom Ru frequency standard from eBay and a frequency > divider chip that makes 1MHZ,100KHZ,25KHZ,10KHZ,100HZ and a 1HZ output. > Today I thought of a way to make a nice 60HZ so you can use a mains-powered > cloc

Re: [time-nuts] OT loosing things

2010-11-12 Thread francesco messineo
The answer is much simpler: the object's wave function (quantum mechanics) can move the object, albeit with little probability :-) Best regards Frank On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Steve Rooke wrote: > I liked the idea of fairies being the culprits but each to their own :) > > I think that th

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt initial check out?

2010-09-20 Thread francesco messineo
Hello, On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:21 PM, wrote: > Between Tboltmon and Ladyheather, you'll see that your unit either works or > it doesn't. My bet is that it will work just fine, even if the antenna is > indoors- and then you won't be able to stop watching it (esp. with lady > heather) for at

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-20 Thread francesco messineo
ine. The more education I >> received the greater my expectations became, however, it did not need to >> over complicate matters. 73 - Mike >> >> Mike B. Feher, N4FS >> 89 Arnold Blvd. >> Howell, NJ, 07731 >> 732-886-5960 >> >> >> >>

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Mike, On 9/19/10, Mike Feher wrote: > Frank - > > Great idea, so obvious I did not think of it. If you mix the 20 and 22 you > will only get 3 dB degradation or still very close to the -131 dBc/Hz > relative to the 10811A. As I mentioned before the architecture is relevant. > I have found that

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Mike, On 9/19/10, Mike Feher wrote: > Well, if one just looks at the spec of the 10811A for relative performance, > it is -140 dBc/Hz at 100 Hz offset at 10 MHz. Realistically, probably a > little better. From that it would be real easy to generate the frequencies > Frank is looking for, obvio

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
On 9/19/10, jimlux wrote: > francesco messineo wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> as I said, current plans are for a few frequencies in the 20-50 MHz >> range. The current project needs 20, 22 and 42 MHz oscillators. >> > > > But you're multiplying that up, it

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
On 9/19/10, jimlux wrote: > francesco messineo wrote: > >>>> It's hard to explain why to ones not familiar with weak signal >>>> operation between broadcasting signals, but really the noise floor >>>> raise a lot when you have some 5 or 6 broadcasts

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
On 9/19/10, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > The key point being that a fixed oscillator will have *much* better close in > phase noise than your typical synthesized radio. yes, I agree fully, in facts getting rid of the typical syntesized radio is my final goal :-) First step is the converter, second

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
acent > channel rejection, so they don't worry a lot about it. > > Bob > > > On Sep 19, 2010, at 12:04 PM, francesco messineo wrote: > >> On 9/19/10, Magnus Danielson wrote: >>> Frank, >>> >>> On 09/19/2010 09:35 AM, francesco messineo wrote: &

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
; PN at your stated offset? Regards - Mike > > Mike B. Feher, N4FS > 89 Arnold Blvd. > Howell, NJ, 07731 > 732-886-5960 > > > > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of francesco messineo >

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
On 9/19/10, Magnus Danielson wrote: > Frank, > > On 09/19/2010 09:35 AM, francesco messineo wrote: >> Hi >> >> On 9/19/10, Bob Camp wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Is -195 dbc/Hz floor good enough or is it overkill? >> >> I'd sa

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Bruce, On 9/18/10, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > Another reference on VHF crystal oscillator circuits (if you can read > German) is: > http://www.axtal.com/data/buch/Kap6.pdf > In particular Figures 6.20 and 6.21 on page 23. unfortunately I don't read german, but it seem I understand those circui

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-19 Thread francesco messineo
Hi On 9/19/10, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > Is -195 dbc/Hz floor good enough or is it overkill? I'd say this is obviously overkill, -160 dBc/Hz could be a good compromise. > > Is -155 dbc/Hz at 100 Hz offset a requirement or is -40 dbc ok? -40 dBc/Hz at 100 Hz is about useless, -150 dBc/Hz at 100

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-18 Thread francesco messineo
On 9/18/10, Magnus Danielson wrote: > > A simple PLL is not that complex these days. As long as you have fairly > high comparator frequency after dividing down the VCO and reference you > could get away fairly easilly. Standard programmable dividers in the TTL > family and a single chip for phase

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-18 Thread francesco messineo
On 9/18/10, Magnus Danielson wrote: > On 09/18/2010 02:41 PM, francesco messineo wrote: >> First of all, thanks to John and Magnus for inputs and links, makes a >> very good start! >> >> On 9/18/10, Magnus Danielson wrote: >>> On 09/18/2010 09:48 AM, fran

Re: [time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-18 Thread francesco messineo
First of all, thanks to John and Magnus for inputs and links, makes a very good start! On 9/18/10, Magnus Danielson wrote: > On 09/18/2010 09:48 AM, francesco messineo wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> sorry for the OT, but the electronic expertise of the group is too good >>

[time-nuts] OT: xtal osc PN

2010-09-18 Thread francesco messineo
Hello all, sorry for the OT, but the electronic expertise of the group is too good :-) I'm looking for ideas and directions (articles and so on) to realize very good phase noise xtal oscillator, in the range 20-50 MHz for high performance frequency conversion. I would like to understand what circ

Re: [time-nuts] nubie querie

2010-03-10 Thread francesco messineo
On 3/10/10, David Forbes wrote: > With regard to the restoration and use of a derelict radio telescope for > amateur radio, that's a fine example of amateurs putting themselves to a big > task and succeeding. I work on radio telescopes, so I know how big a task > that is. Here in Italy, radio

Re: [time-nuts] thunderbolt fault

2010-02-26 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Stan, On 2/26/10, Stan, W1LE wrote: > Hello Francesco, > > After connecting to a known good power supply, active antenna, and > computer, > give it a chance to warm up and stabilize. > > After warm up, I get: > +5VDC @ 0.250 A > +12VDC @ 0.12 A > -9VDC @ very low current, just barely mov

[time-nuts] thunderbolt fault

2010-02-26 Thread francesco messineo
Hi all, A friend just received a thunderbolt from an ebay seller today and asked me to check it and wire a quick power supply for him. I used a switching power supply, pc-like, just for testing and tried both lady heather and tboltmon. I wired the power lines as the TVB web page, but connected onl

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Injection locking

2010-02-02 Thread francesco messineo
On 2/2/10, Bruce Griffiths wrote: > However injection locking also works when the frequencies ratios involved > are rational numbers. > For 22MHz and 10MHz, the corresponding ratio is 11/5 a rational number. > For 42MHz and 10MHz, the frequency ratio is 21/5 a rational number Then 2 MHz would w

Re: [time-nuts] FW: Injection locking

2010-02-02 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Murray and all, Yes, indeed injection locking looks very interesting, and I started reading around. Seems relatively easy for 22 MHz, but not as easy for 42 MHz (good values should be 6 or 7 MHz, right?). So far the practical circuit I've seen are few, and this would make me lean in favour of d

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise PLL for transceiver locking

2010-02-02 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Murray, On 2/2/10, Murray Greenman wrote: > Frank, > > My suggestion would be to try injection locking, rather than a PLL. No > change is made to the 22MHz and 42MHz oscillators, except to find a way > to inject enough reference power to force them to lock to it. Injection > locking works

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise PLL for transceiver locking

2010-02-02 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Murray, On 2/2/10, Murray Greenman wrote: > Frank, > > My suggestion would be to try injection locking, rather than a PLL. No > change is made to the 22MHz and 42MHz oscillators, except to find a way > to inject enough reference power to force them to lock to it. Injection > locking works

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Practical PLL low noise?

2010-02-02 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Bob, On 2/2/10, Bob Camp wrote: > Hi > > The first issue - your oscillator may be drifting quite a lot. If so, that's > the first thing to check and possibly fix. A reasonable oscillator should be > able to hold less than 100 Hz at 42 MHz under normal room conditions. Fixes > range from ci

[time-nuts] OT: Practical PLL low noise?

2010-02-02 Thread francesco messineo
Hello all, sorry for the OT, but I know there're many real electronic artists here. As an amateur radio operator I often use transverters, some home made. They usually can be made sigthly better (RF and noise-wise) than japanese transceivers. However often the LO xtal oscillator drifts too much fo

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-09 Thread francesco messineo
io transceiver, but that's not something I plan to do soon (I don't see the need for it currently) and in that case I will use better transistors for sure. Thanks Francesco > > Bruce > > francesco messineo wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > indeed this is ve

Re: [time-nuts] HP 105B Modification

2009-12-09 Thread francesco messineo
Hi all, indeed this is very interesting, can this buffer amplifier be used as a building block for a distribution amplifier for the 10 MHz signal of a thunderbolt? I remember having seen on the list a similar version but with european transistors (like the ubiquitous bc548/bc558?) that are very co

Re: [time-nuts] Amatuer Radio Information

2009-11-25 Thread francesco messineo
On 11/25/09, Robert Darlington wrote: > Out here I'm almost exclusively on HF bands using the modern digital > communications modes like PSK31. The first license (Technician) will not > get you on the HF bands unless you count 6 meter (50MHz) as HF. well, 6m isn't anything like HF (imho). >

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather question serial error

2009-02-21 Thread francesco messineo
On 2/21/09, Magnus Danielson wrote: > I'm considering a Linux port since I want to reduce my dependency on > Windows at all times. > before knowing about the existence of lady heather I had started coding a very simple Linux/Unix program that would work much like tboltmon.exe (ncurses based).

Re: [time-nuts] Rockwell GPS Chipset

2009-02-17 Thread francesco messineo
On 2/17/09, Tom Clifton wrote: > Any chance it is a Jupiter? > > http://www.gpskit.nl/gps-readme.html > > If so, they are fine receivers. THe header pins are 2mm spcing - same as > used on laptop hard drive adaptors > It uses the same two chips (at least in one photo of a jupiter I have seen t

Re: [time-nuts] rockwell gps chipset datasheet?

2009-02-17 Thread francesco messineo
Hi Roberto, On 2/17/09, Roberto Barrios wrote: > Hi Frank, > > The Rockwell 11577-11 is found in most TU-DXXX Rockwell-Jupiter GPS > receivers. I've never seen anything like a RF switch on them, but you could > have a custom or exotic one :). What they do have most times is a model > number e

[time-nuts] rockwell gps chipset datasheet?

2009-02-17 Thread francesco messineo
Hello all, I have given a GPS receiver board from an old anti-theft system, it's free for me to play with (and more are available if I ever figure out if they can be useful). The board has a rockwell chipset for the GPS part and two antenna connectors (selectable with an rf switch). Both antennas