Jason
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup (Jason Rabel)
Hi Jason
I might have something
DUH! You wrote it Rick! LOL!
http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/1999/HPL-1999-6.pdf
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup
The oscillator is derived from a conventional Colpitts
circuit, with a capacitor from base to emitter, a
capacitor from collector to emitter, and the crystal
(in parallel resonance mode acting as an inductor) from
the collector to the
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote:
> Some form of mode suppression is required in most precision overtone
> oscillators.
>
> Bruce
>
I forgot to mention that the 10811 operates on the 5th overtone,
and it is also necessary to prevent oscillation at other overtones.
The mode suppression design takes care o
The oscillator is derived from a conventional Colpitts
circuit, with a capacitor from base to emitter, a
capacitor from collector to emitter, and the crystal
(in parallel resonance mode acting as an inductor) from
the collector to the base. This is referred to as a
Pierce oscillator.
The desired
Normand Martel wrote:
> It's bizarre..
>
> The oscillator is some kind of Colpitts but with coils
> instead of capacitors in the feedback path.
>
> (i don't call it a Hartley, bcause Hartley's use a
> SINGLE tapped inductor.)
>
> 73 de Normand VE2UM
>
> --- Dr Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
It's bizarre..
The oscillator is some kind of Colpitts but with coils
instead of capacitors in the feedback path.
(i don't call it a Hartley, bcause Hartley's use a
SINGLE tapped inductor.)
73 de Normand VE2UM
--- Dr Bruce Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hal Murray wrote:
> >> Is it oka
t together.
Daun
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup (Jason Rabel)
Thanks Bru
iscussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup (Jason Rabel)
Jason
As long as the thermistor is still within the oven mass and the
temperature regulation circuit is functioning OK, the oven should
actually be OK.
However the temperature control loop
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> Made'm red just for y
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup (Jason Rabel)
Made'm red just for ya in the updated 10811 manual
DO NOT OPERATE THE OVEN CIRCUITS WHEN THE OVEN MASS IS OUTSIDE OF THE
OSCILLATOR
INSULAT
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup (Jason Rabel)
Jason Rabel wrote:
>
> I must of read at least 15 times 'do not power up the oven circuit' in th
Jason Rabel wrote:
>
> I must of read at least 15 times 'do not power up the oven circuit' in the
> documentation... lol.
I am trying to think of why they say this. I don't see why
you can't power the oven when it is disassembled. I can see
that it might not reach 80 degrees or might oscillate a
Yep yep... Thanks to all who have replied... I just finished reading the
whole "service" section of the manual, so I think I'll just take it one step
at a time and see how it goes. I'm still hoping for a loose connection or
broken wire, who knows.
I must of read at least 15 times 'do not power up
> Is it okay to power up the main assembly once it is removed
> from the outer shell / insulation?
The oscillator circuit, yes. The oven circuit, no.
> Is there any way to test just the crystal can easily
>(assuming it doesn't rattle)?
Yes, follow the instructions in manual section 8-95. You
Hal Murray wrote:
>> Is it okay to power up the main assembly once it is removed from the
>> outer shell / insulation?
>>
>
> Lots of info here:
> http://www.hparchive.com/Manuals/HP-10811AB-Manual.pdf
>
> I think I saw a warning about that, but maybe it was something else.
>
>
>
It is O
> Is it okay to power up the main assembly once it is removed from the
> outer shell / insulation?
Lots of info here:
http://www.hparchive.com/Manuals/HP-10811AB-Manual.pdf
I think I saw a warning about that, but maybe it was something else.
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These are my opinions, not necessarily my emp
Well, we shall see, hopefully I'll get a chance to mess with it tomorrow,
but more than likely it will be Monday. I skimmed over the end of the manual
for some troubleshooting and the schematics. I haven't read them carefully
yet. The oven warms up (both via the signal pin and the whole housing is
> Anyhow... The 10811-60155 that I got from 'her' I tried out first. No 10
> MHz output at all, not from initial power up or after it warmed up...
I probably have been through at least 15-20 10811's and 10544's. I've seen
this behavior only once. In this case, it was a busted crystal. It wa
Okay, I finally got around to building a little interface for my HP 10811's
this afternoon. I'm using a 24V supply for the oven. I built the oven
monitor LED circuit like in the manual so I know when it is warmed up so I
don't have to always probe the pin. Finally I'm using a linear regulator to
dr
Jack Hudler wrote:
>
> Could physical damage to the crystal account for this deviation?
Pretty unlikely. If you drop a crystal, it will just break and
not work. The only way it could go down 100 Hz is by mass loading.
I don't know how this could happen in a sealed unit.
Rick Karlquist N6RK
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 10811 warmup
On this unit, I suspect the oven was not at the correct operating
temperature. Thus, although it warmed up to some extent, it may
not have reached 80 degrees C. The real diagnostic would be to
slide it out of the case and look at the voltages on the thermistor
On this unit, I suspect the oven was not at the correct operating
temperature. Thus, although it warmed up to some extent, it may
not have reached 80 degrees C. The real diagnostic would be to
slide it out of the case and look at the voltages on the thermistor
circuitry. However a crude check ca
Didier,
My experience with 4 10811's with widely separated serial numbers is consistent
with your
numbers below. Between 6 and 8 minutes of warm up from ambient (18C) and
they're stable at the
target frequency as measured with a recently calibrated 5328A (one without a
10811 - since
remediat
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