Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-15 Thread bg
Hi Ulrich, > mind. On the other hand: If a good timing receiver has ended his "site > survey" it's position messages stay constant, even if you move it around. > Obviously that is not what you expect from a navigation system. Keep > navigation and timing receivers clear apart from each other. They

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal Murray skrev: 2D positioning requires at least 3 sats for resolving Lat, Long, T (really X, Y, Z and T which a fixed relationship between X, Y and Z so given two the third will be given, as the heigth is assumed). This has been discussed before, but I still don't really understand it. I a

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
> 2D positioning requires at least 3 sats for resolving Lat, Long, T > (really X, Y, Z and T which a fixed relationship between X, Y and Z so > given two the third will be given, as the heigth is assumed). This has been discussed before, but I still don't really understand it. I assume they tak

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Poul-Henning Kamp skrev: In message , "Ulrich Bangert" writes: The receiver can use this redundant information in two ways: a) to improve the solutions for the position or b) to improve the solutions for the time but not both at the same time. That's just bogus. First of all, you need fo

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , "Ulrich Bangert" writes: >The receiver can use this redundant information in two ways: >a) to improve the solutions for the position >or >b) to improve the solutions for the time > >but not both at the same time. That's just bogus. First of all, you need four sats for a complete s

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-14 Thread Ulrich Bangert
ittwoch, 13. Mai 2009 23:06 > An: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Betreff: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers > > > Just out of idle curiosity, is there any significant > difference in 1PPS > accuracy between different GPS modules? > > I

Re: [time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Philip Pemberton skrev: Just out of idle curiosity, is there any significant difference in 1PPS accuracy between different GPS modules? I've got a pair of Trimble SVeeSix CM3 boards (firmware 4.13 if memory serves, have to be reflashed to change the comm protocol, which can be either TSIP or

[time-nuts] 1PPS accuracy of commercial GPS receivers

2009-05-13 Thread Philip Pemberton
Just out of idle curiosity, is there any significant difference in 1PPS accuracy between different GPS modules? I've got a pair of Trimble SVeeSix CM3 boards (firmware 4.13 if memory serves, have to be reflashed to change the comm protocol, which can be either TSIP or NMEA) and an Axiom Sandpi