Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:41:52 +1300 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnus Danielson wrote: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti99/PTTI_1999_405.PDF

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Hej Magnus Magnus Danielson wrote: An interesting product originating from Mitel (Mike and Terry's lawnmowers later became MITEL - according to their local rep about 20 odd years ago) Hehe... yeah, I know it was in the Mitel days they started this. I even beleive that the GPS

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:39:47 +1300 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hej Magnus Hej Bruce, Fuller version is that the later Mitel founders worked for another telecoms (Bell

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:39:47 +1300 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hej Magnus Hej Bruce, Fuller version is that the later Mitel

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Didier Juges
Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Hej Magnus Mitel actually used to make PABX equipment about 20 years ago. They also did specialised ICs for such applications. Bruce That's what I knew them for, we even had a Mitel PABX for a while where I work. Did not know they were into GPS and never seen

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread Rob Kimberley
of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Hej Magnus Mitel actually used to make PABX equipment about 20 years ago. They also did specialised ICs for such applications. Bruce That's what I

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-19 Thread bg
). -- Björn :-) Rob K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Didier Juges Sent: 19 February 2007 12:42 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
John, One was sold by sierrametals (went for $250), the other by electronicswest (went for $104) I remember your posting but did not associate it with these items. I bid on both, just in case since they were still at $20 an hour before close, but I was not even close to final price, in either

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: does not have an OCXO, I think. I remember seeing a number of postings on time-nuts (must have been Bruce) advocating the increased performance of carrier phase tracking, but I need to educate myself about what it is and what good it can do for me :-) Any feedback

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Didier Juges wrote: On a different subject, I just won a Novatel Superstar 2 GPS receiver advertised to do carrier phase tracking. It's specification lists a timing accuracy of 50nS typical, which is not bad at all for a GPS that does not have an OCXO, I think. I remember seeing a number

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Didier: Many GPS receivers output carrier phase data but it's usually used in post processing to get survey grade position accuracy. Since the code phase position accuracy is larger than a wavelength the receiver does not know how many integer wavelengths to add.

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
Brooke, I read about the uncertainty of absolute position because the carrier phase data has no absolute reference, but that still gives a very precise relative position (and speed) information. The point is that for timing, absolute position information is probably unnecessary. The benefit

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bruce: Is there a paper describing the method? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke Have Fun, Brooke w/Java http://www.PRC68.com w/o Java http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml http://www.precisionclock.com Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Didier: Many GPS

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Bruce: Is there a paper describing the method? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke Have Fun, Brooke w/Java http://www.PRC68.com w/o Java http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/PRC68COM.shtml http://www.precisionclock.com Dr Bruce Griffiths wrote: Brooke Yes I

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Dr Bruce Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:53:55 +1300 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi Bruce: Is there a paper describing the method? Have Fun, Brooke Clarke

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B on eBay, carrier phase tracking GPS receiver

2007-02-18 Thread Dr Bruce Griffiths
Magnus Danielson wrote: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti99/PTTI_1999_405.PDF There is another paper just before it. There is also a patent for a specific form of implementation. Note they used an Oncore VP, the Superstar has a better carrier phase tracking.performance.