Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Stan, W1LE
Hello Bill, If you already have a PC with a motherboard soundcard or a accessory soundcard (PCI), then with appropriate software you can look at signals in the time or frequency domains. a google search on scope software may find some shareware. Spectrum Lab, Spectran, etc. are also free

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/31/2010 02:35 PM, William H. Fite wrote: 'morning, folks, I was just on a verge of purchasing a Tek TDS1012 scope when a friend suggested that I could save a chunk of change by buying a BitScope. Although I've been aware of PC scopes, I never really looked into them. The specs look

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread William H. Fite
Stan said: Spectrum Lab, Spectran, etc. are also free and on a windows PC will show the frequency spectrum to the frequency limits of the soundcard. Yes, I use Spectrum Lab already but trying to make a bench scope out of it is more trouble than it is worth. Magnus said: Can you lock up a

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Buying brand new or previously owned? There's a *big* difference there and for home use, previously owned is the only way to go. A real scope is easier to float from ground, and the controls make more sense. The knobs and switches really do help you make quick and accurate measurements.

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread William H. Fite
Bob said: ...for home use, previously owned is the only way to go. I agree (he said, looking around at the chipped and dinged stuff nearby). That being said, both are new, the Tek because there is not a lot of saving to be achieved from buying a used one, especially when it means giving up the

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Robert Atkinson
://www.picotech.com/oscilloscope-specifications.html Their bandwith / sample rates make more sense. I've used their products and they work very well. Robert G8RPI. --- On Sun, 31/10/10, William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com wrote: From: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com Subject: [time-nuts] A little

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread J. Forster
A couple of months ago, I bought a used Tek TDS 1002 for under $300. I've always been very skeptical about DSOs and just love 7xxx series analog units, but I needed something for occasional portable use. I was pleasantly surprised. IMO, it's not an analog scope, but it does have nice features,

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread William H. Fite
, William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com wrote: From: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com Subject: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please To: PC Oscilloscope time-nuts@febo.com Date: Sunday, 31 October, 2010, 13:35 'morning, folks, I was just on a verge of purchasing a Tek TDS1012 scope when a friend

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread William H. Fite
I can get a new TDS1002 for ~$700 or a TDS 1012 for a bit over $1K. Given that the typical eBilge price for a 1002 runs $600 or so, new seems to make sense. On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:32 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: A couple of months ago, I bought a used Tek TDS 1002 for under $300.

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread J. Forster
I got my TDS 1002 along w/ 4 NOS probes for $280. I got mine at a flea, but you might want to post a WTB on Tekscopes2 or TestEquipTrader on YahooGroups. Also, you can likely get a Tek 465B or 2xxx analog scope for $200. Also, try calling a few leasing companies or dealers to see if they have

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Alan Melia
it telling you. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please Robert said; Bitscope

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread William H. Fite
Well, we all get those really nice deals now and again. I got a NIB (by which I mean box never even opened) Spectracom 8164 for a hundred bucks... On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 1:52 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: I got my TDS 1002 along w/ 4 NOS probes for $280. I got mine at a flea, but you

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Robert Darlington
of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please Robert said; Bitscope headlines 100MHz analog bandwidth but you have to big a bit deeper to find up to 40Ms/s. Seems like they are wasting

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread J. Forster
it telling you. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please Robert said; Bitscope

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Bob Bownes
of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please Robert said; Bitscope headlines 100MHz analog bandwidth but you have to big a bit deeper to find up to 40Ms/s. Seems like they are wasting most

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread J. Forster
it telling you. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: William H. Fite omni...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please Robert said; Bitscope

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bill: I too looked at the BitScope but went with the Rigol. It turns out that Rigol DS1052E makes the low end HP scopes, i.e. they are very high quality and fantastic value for the money. There's a software hack to upgrade them from 50 to 100 Mhz. See:

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread William H. Fite
Interesting that you should post this, Brooke. The local guy who was going to sell me the TDS1012 got in touch and asked if I had looked at the Rigol DS1052E. He's a buddy and was selling me the Tek at his cost so no skin off his nose if I buy a Rigol--which he does not sell. I've spent the

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Javier Herrero
The DSA602 was an impulse purchase that I think I probably could have lived without. The 1Ghz bandwidth plugins are not easily found, but the FFT function is very handy. My biggest complaint is that it takes too long to boot up! Again, an inexpensive option for a scope, good into the ghz range

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Hal Murray
Anyone have any experience with BitScope or other of the low-end PC scopes? There are several similar boxes in that area. You might check out the others. A friend was much happier with a CleverScope. I didn't use it much, but just watched over his shoulder a bit. The big sharp (PC) screen

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread J. Forster
I'm not entirely convinced of this. The main RAM may not be fast enough, with the demands of the OS, to keep up with real time fast acquisition. -John = With a modern digital scope, there is no excuse for not having a huge buffer.

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
And for what it's worth, my digital scope is a TDS-1012 and I've been happy with it. John On Oct 31, 2010, at 12:32 PM, J. Forster j...@quik.com wrote: A couple of months ago, I bought a used Tek TDS 1002 for under $300. I've always been very skeptical about DSOs and just love 7xxx series

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bill: I really like the Rigol carry case for the scope since it's a way to keep all the bits and pieces together. So if you're shopping eBay look for the combination package that includes the carry case. Deal Extreme had the best price last time I looked. Watch the reviews linked on my

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread J. Forster
It looks like Rigol cloned Tek or Tek cloned Rigol. -John === Hi Bill: I really like the Rigol carry case for the scope since it's a way to keep all the bits and pieces together. So if you're shopping eBay look for the combination package that includes the carry case. Deal

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Stan Searing
, October 31, 2010 6:35 AM To: PC Oscilloscope Subject: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please 'morning, folks, I was just on a verge of purchasing a Tek TDS1012 scope when a friend suggested that I could save a chunk of change by buying a BitScope. Although I've been aware of PC scopes, I never

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread David I. Emery
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:25:22PM -0700, J. Forster wrote: Two comments: I have a lot of Tek 7xxx stuff and almost none of it cost anything like $0.50 on the dollar. Virtually everything cost well under $0.10 /dollar. I would agree... I have rarely seen 80s/90s used TE sell for more

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread J. Forster
Pretty much agreed. There are a few dealers who hold out for near-list prices and can afford to have stuff not move, because when they do make a sale the profit is very high. Some, like ElectroCraft, don't make it. Others, like Tucker, apparently do. I frankly doubt that the gotta have XYZ and

Re: [time-nuts] A little quick advice, please

2010-10-31 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/01/2010 01:42 AM, J. Forster wrote: Pretty much agreed. There are a few dealers who hold out for near-list prices and can afford to have stuff not move, because when they do make a sale the profit is very high. Some, like ElectroCraft, don't make it. Others, like Tucker, apparently do. I