Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt environment?

2011-01-18 Thread Achim Vollhardt
Dear Warren and Mark, I have hacked together a very simple setup with the transistor circuit and the opened Thunderbolt case (not its own case, but the front lid of my outer case opened). The CPU fan was placed about 2 away, only blowing indirectly into the case.. The results are simply

Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt

2011-01-18 Thread WarrenS
active PID temperature controller. The more the mass, the slower the response, and the harder it can be for the temperature loop to stabilizing. ws * [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt environment? Achim Vollhardt avollhar at physik.uzh.ch Tue Jan 18

[time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt

2011-01-18 Thread Mark Sims
Generally you have to do some playing with the fan position and internal baffling and thermal mass for best performance of the temperature controller.   You don't want direct airflow onto the tbolt.  Also you probably don't want an large/aggressive fan...  a little airflow can go a long way.  

Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt

2011-01-18 Thread EWKehren
Looking at ways to optimize GPS-Rb-OCXO performance, using dewar, foam and fan cooling, using a fan was an eye opener. I have now come to the conclusion that for the temperature environment we are working in, a fan is the best way for all three. I am using a 5X5X1 cm fan drawing 50 mA at 12

Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt

2011-01-18 Thread Bob Camp
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ewkeh...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:12 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt Looking at ways to optimize GPS-Rb-OCXO

Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt environment?

2011-01-16 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I see a degree or more over the weekend sitting on the bench. With some effort that can be brought down to a half degree or so. The real question is weather you see the signature of the temperature showing up in the EFC plot. To be precise do you see the signature of the lab temperature,

[time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt environment?

2011-01-16 Thread Achim Vollhardt
Dear Mark, Warren, Arnold,Bob and Charles, Thank you all for the interesting responses. I am most interested about the implemented temperature control in Lady Heather: I see that there is a setpoint to be entered via 't'+'t', but I am uncertain about the function of it. From the heather.cpp

Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt environment?

2011-01-15 Thread Arnold Tibus
Hi Achim, I have very stable thermal conditions in my house. The temperature indicated by the box (internal sensor) does stay stable within 50 mK/d when the sun is not shining with very slow ripple. On sunny days the in-box temperature does climb up by about 350 to 450 mK (less then 100 mK/h) and

Re: [time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt environment?

2011-01-15 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Achim wrote: I am just wondering, if I should rather worry more about high temperature gradients rather than excursions from a mean value, as slow variation can be compensated by the control loop while for quick changes, the loop is just too slow :) This has been discussed quite a bit on

[time-nuts] Achievable temperature stability for Thunderbolt environment?

2011-01-15 Thread Mark Sims
Using Lady Heather's temperature controller (fan+cardboard box+solid state relay+baffling and thermal mass to taste)  I get around +/- 3 millidegree temperature control when the AC/furnace is not running and +/- 20 millidegrees with them cycling.  Long term temperature average is down in the