Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/02/11 20:26, Tijd Dingen wrote: Wavecrest just fell of the Internet for some time and then eventually re-appeared as GigaMax. All material quite obvious just changed company name and logo. A few things was cleaned out. Haven't checked since. I would think they had financial problems and

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-11 Thread Tijd Dingen
- Original Message From: Magnus Danielson To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 10:08:40 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps? > Wavecrest just fell of the Internet for some time and then eventually

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/02/11 06:13, jimlux wrote: On 2/9/11 2:08 PM, Tijd Dingen wrote: The autocorrelation processing is O(N^2) while the DFT can be done in O(N log N) when using FFT. As usual these can be implemented in reversed order such that first the FFT is done to the phase jitter and auto-correlation

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread ehydra
LeCroy has a paper with a short explanation that I found useful: http://www.lecroy.com/files/WhitePapers/WP_TechBrief_Var_of_Time.pdf This look to me very similar to this: http://pstca.com/sampler/index.htm - Henry -- ehydra.dyndns.info ___ time-nu

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread jimlux
On 2/9/11 2:08 PM, Tijd Dingen wrote: The autocorrelation processing is O(N^2) while the DFT can be done in O(N log N) when using FFT. As usual these can be implemented in reversed order such that first the FFT is done to the phase jitter and auto-correlation can be found using O(N) post-proce

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/02/11 23:08, Tijd Dingen wrote: Henk wrote: Wavecrest uses algorithms for this and their software gives a spectrum. They also give some info on their site. Henk, the paper you mentioned put me on the right track. Thanks. :) Magnus wrote: In "Jitter, Noise and Signal Integrity at High-

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Tijd Dingen
Henk wrote: > > Wavecrest uses algorithms for this and their software gives a spectrum. > > They also give some info on their site. Henk, the paper you mentioned put me on the right track. Thanks. :) Magnus wrote: > In "Jitter, Noise and Signal Integrity at High-Speed" by Mike Peng Li, > Prentic

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 09/02/11 19:11, Henk wrote: Hi Fred, "A METHOD OF SERIAL DATA JITTER ANALYSIS USING ONE-SHOT TIME INTERVAL MEASUREMENTS" is in the white paper section of GigaMax 'tecnical resources'. They split GigaMax from Wavecrest, probably after some bad financial times. The Wavecrest white papers are

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Henk, On 08/02/11 22:19, Henk wrote: Hi, Wavecrest uses algorithms for this and their software gives a spectrum. They also give some info on their site. In "Jitter, Noise and Signal Integrity at High-Speed" by Mike Peng Li, Prentice Hall, ISBN 0-13-242961-6 it is covered in pages 200-207

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Henk
igaMax. Henk Op 9 feb 2011, om 12:31 heeft Tijd Dingen het volgende geschreven: > > > > > - Original Message > From: Henk > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:19:38 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] C

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread jimlux
On 2/9/11 3:17 AM, Tijd Dingen wrote: (if you want some ancient FORTRAN IV code for this, I've probably got a listing in a box out in the garage from the 70s) Does this box also happen to contain verilog code for it? I don't think Verilog was even a gleam in the inventors' eyes back in t

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Tijd Dingen
- Original Message From: Henk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:19:38 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps? > Wavecrest uses algorithms for this and their softw

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-09 Thread Tijd Dingen
- Original Message From: jimlux To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 4:00:43 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps? > The Chirp-z transform (Bluestein) is also useful when you want a small range &

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-08 Thread Henk
Hi, Wavecrest uses algorithms for this and their software gives a spectrum. They also give some info on their site. Henk Op 8 feb 2011, om 20:51 heeft detlef.amb...@gmx.de het volgende geschreven: > 08.02.2011 08:17, Poul-Henning Kamp: >> In message <224676.41616...@web120905.mail.ne1.yahoo.c

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-08 Thread detlef.amb...@gmx.de
08.02.2011 08:17, Poul-Henning Kamp: > In message <224676.41616...@web120905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, Tijd Dingen writes: > >> >From what I could find so far, one method to go about this is use a >> Lomb/Scargle Periodogram. And specifically the method by Press & Rybicki that >> extirpolates the uneve

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-08 Thread jimlux
On 2/8/11 6:32 AM, Mark Kahrs wrote: The Goertzel algorithm is only useful when you want a few frequences (i.e., it evaluates specific frequencies on the unit circle). For general all purpose slicing and dicing, the FFT is what you want. See the ancient book by Rabiner for the details. The C

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-08 Thread Mark Kahrs
The Goertzel algorithm is only useful when you want a few frequences (i.e., it evaluates specific frequencies on the unit circle). For general all purpose slicing and dicing, the FFT is what you want. See the ancient book by Rabiner for the details. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Tijd Dingen w

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-08 Thread Tijd Dingen
> > From what I could find so far, one method to go about this is use a > > Lomb/Scargle Periodogram. And specifically the method by Press & Rybicki > > that extirpolates the unevenly timed samples to an regular timed mesh, > > after which a regular DFT is done. > Just knowing the time of the ze

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <224676.41616...@web120905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>, Tijd Dingen writes: >>From what I could find so far, one method to go about this is use a >Lomb/Scargle Periodogram. And specifically the method by Press & Rybicki that >extirpolates the unevenly timed samples to an regular timed mesh, aft

Re: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-07 Thread Tijd Dingen
Subject: [time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps? Consider the following scenario. We have a signal source of about 10 kHz, with unknown phase noise. Let's for simplicity's sake assume for now that the phase noise is large enough that it will be

[time-nuts] Calculate spectral content from a series of zero crossing time stamps?

2011-02-07 Thread Tijd Dingen
Consider the following scenario. We have a signal source of about 10 kHz, with unknown phase noise. Let's for simplicity's sake assume for now that the phase noise is large enough that it will be detectable by the following approach. We measure every zero crossing with lets say 1 ns accuracy. So