Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2011-11-30 Thread Tom Van Baak
A spare Linux machine with a 192 KHz sound card could generate the signal directly, then use a modified audio amp to boost the signal. You could write the software to emulate a choice of stations. Chuck, There's software under leapsecond.com/tools that you'll find helpful in this effort (wwv

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2011-11-30 Thread Hal Murray
> A time code generator is included in the NTP distribution. By default it is > not built. I think it is a .C file that likes in a directory called > "test". This software is designed for testing time code receivers The one I know about is util/tg2.c >From the top of the code: * This prog

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2011-11-30 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: > A spare Linux machine with a 192 KHz sound card could generate the signal > directly, > then use a modified audio amp to boost the signal.  You could write the > software to > emulate a choice of stations. A time code generato

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2011-11-30 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
A spare Linux machine with a 192 KHz sound card could generate the signal directly, then use a modified audio amp to boost the signal. You could write the software to emulate a choice of stations. On 11/30/2011 06:19 AM, Robert Deliën wrote: Since we dont have WWVB here in Australia, and sinc

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2011-11-30 Thread Robert Deliën
> Since we dont have WWVB here in Australia, and since I have an oregon > weather station that wants WWVB to timesync to, I am also building a > small WWVB emulator, to make it work correctly. Or you can get your WWVB generator on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/120714765000 For the price it'd be in

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-28 Thread Michael Poulos
Richard H McCorkle wrote: Time-Nuts, New members to the Time-Nuts list may wonder if the Time-Nut disease has infected them just by joining the list. A clear indication that someone has been infected with the Time-Nut disease is they own a reference that provides accurate time to better than 1us

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread Heathkid
Maybe I should have closed with "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero " ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread Heathkid
hard W. Solomon" To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity Man, you guys really have a lot of spare time on your hands ... Please, Mr. NIST, give us another L

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread Richard W. Solomon
: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity > >To sort of make an on/off topic comment, here in NY, we have recently >begun using hypothermic protocol on cardiac arrest patients that have >undergone a reversal. If the heart has stopped and been restarted >either with a defib

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread Bob Bownes
To sort of make an on/off topic comment, here in NY, we have recently begun using hypothermic protocol on cardiac arrest patients that have undergone a reversal. If the heart has stopped and been restarted either with a defib or by CPR alone and we are on scene in a short enough span of time, we ca

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread Hal Murray
> There is one case in which a Swedish medical student was out skiing in > Norway and went through the ice and was being held there by the strong > water. It took them 45 min just to get her out of the water. Her heart had > stopped. Her respiration had stopped. She have had no pulse or breath f

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/25/2010 10:16 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Oct 25, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Normally, the brain dies from lack of oxygen to maintain cellular activity. Not only is this not instantaneous, it is the cause of stories of seeing a light at the end of a tunnel that are told by

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/25/2010 04:21 PM, William H. Fite wrote: Mike is correct. Brain activity does not screech to a halt but peters out over a period of minutes once the heart stops beating. When we (I'm in the medical field and not, by any stretch of the imagination an engineer) speak of someone being "brain

[time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread phil
The boss in this household has added What he forgot was that the patient will have no concept of time in the "real world" and frequently be late for any event including his own funeral! Phil ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsu

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-26 Thread Steve Rooke
On 26 October 2010 12:07, Ed, k1ggi wrote: > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of William H. Fite > > So.I see no way in which one could determine with precision when life > ends.  At least not with the precision that

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread Ed, k1ggi
-Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of William H. Fite So.I see no way in which one could determine with precision when life ends. At least not with the precision that this group would consider even minimally acceptable.

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Oct 25, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: > Normally, the brain dies from lack of oxygen to maintain cellular > activity. Not only is this not instantaneous, it is the cause of > stories of seeing a light at the end of a tunnel that are told by > those who have been brought back from lega

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread William H. Fite
ime and frequency measurement< > time-nuts@febo.com> > Reply-To: a...@comcast.net, > Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity > > I suspect that at time of death, brain activity > doesn&#x

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread Oz-in-DFW
On 10/25/2010 11:49 AM, Bill Hawkins wrote: > It would take an extraordinary ego to believe that anyone would > care about your exact time of death. or be sufficiently obsessive-compulsive... Oh. Wait. -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) __

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread J. Forster
It started as a joke! -John > Normally, the brain dies from lack of oxygen to maintain cellular > activity. Not only is this not instantaneous, it is the cause of > stories of seeing a light at the end of a tunnel that are told by > those who have been brought back from legal d

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
Normally, the brain dies from lack of oxygen to maintain cellular activity. Not only is this not instantaneous, it is the cause of stories of seeing a light at the end of a tunnel that are told by those who have been brought back from legal death. Two observations: You can't have everything. Wher

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread shalimr9
From: Mike Naruta AA8K Sender: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 06:26:41 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Reply-To: a...@comcast.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infect

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread William H. Fite
Mike is correct. Brain activity does not screech to a halt but peters out over a period of minutes once the heart stops beating. When we (I'm in the medical field and not, by any stretch of the imagination an engineer) speak of someone being "brain dead" or "flat line EEG," we don't really mean t

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-25 Thread Steve Rooke
ave only >> powered up one of my Rb standards... and have a LOT of "kits" to build >> etc.) you'd probably ALL place my TOD pretty quickly.  ;) >> >> - Original Message - From: "Magnus Danielson" >> >> To: >> Sent: Sund

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-25 Thread Robert Atkinson
: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity. To: j...@quik.com, "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 4:54 J. Forster wrote: > If your TOD is to be measured with sub-nanosecond accuracy, where do you > measure from? The

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread GandalfG8
In a message dated 25/10/2010 13:02:49 GMT Daylight Time, paul_gr...@greenrover.demon.co.uk writes: As indeed care would need to be taken to ensure that the measuring instrument doesn't affect the DUT DUT.Death Under Test? :-) ___

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread Paul_group
course, careful planning and design needs to be taken in the choice of circuitry and construction so as to all the hat to be cleaned. There is, of course, the faint possibility of death during the swapping of but some careful planning of how to do the hat swap may alleviate this window. As ind

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread Mike Naruta AA8K
I suspect that at time of death, brain activity doesn't instantly cease, but decays. Unless we would be able to monitor all brain activity, we are stuck with a bald man paradox, perhaps calculating the half-life of brain activity. Maybe we could attempt to measure the weight of the departing sou

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread xaos
Only to die and in a split second the mysteries of the universe will open to you and you will realize that "time" was relative and subjective and can be varied by certain "jokers". And, most importantly, your grandfather's "grandfather clock" (you know, the one in the living room with the gargoyl

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-25 Thread Bill Hawkins
OK, this is an interesting problem, but don't take anything I say seriously, unless, of course, the shoe fits. Consider the end stages of TNI. You have acquired everything that can be acquired. Nothing holds any secrets from you, and so there are no challenges left. Agreed, some of us will run out

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-24 Thread Hal Murray
> A valid point has been brought up. What does a Time-Nut do with his > equipment when he dies. > Actually, I am serious here. Think about it ahead of time and leave a note for whomever gets to take care of your estate. (and/or send a copy to your geek friends who may be helping them) Do you

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Hal Murray
>I also recently picked up a couple of 5062C Cs references,and >resurrected both (!! lucky me) tubes ... >Please, somebody tell me I am a cadet time nut. (I cant measure ADEV >yet... This must keep me in cadet class, surely!) I think anybody who has more than one 5062C is alread

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread jimlux
J. Forster wrote: If your TOD is to be measured with sub-nanosecond accuracy, where do you measure from? The TOD of your head? Heart? Fingertips? Feet? -John I'll be dead.. it's the executor's problem. and if he/she gets it wrong, I'll come back to haunt them. ___

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-24 Thread Steve Rooke
Well, you don't own boat-anchors any more, they are burial-at-sea-anchors now. Steve On 25 October 2010 15:54, wrote: > A valid point has been brought up. What does a Time-Nut do with his > equipment when he dies. > > Actually, I am serious here. > > My little girl, who just turned four, is alr

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Steve Rooke
standards... and have a LOT of "kits" to build > etc.) you'd probably ALL place my TOD pretty quickly.  ;) > > - Original Message - From: "Magnus Danielson" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Dete

[time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread pete brown
> Is there a "cadet" grade? I have a GPS receiver with 1PPS output, but > it only claims microsecond accuracy. I have an OCXO salvaged from an > old Transit satellite navigator, but it claims no better than a few > parts in 1e-8. And I've got a Thunderbolt, but haven't found time to

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-24 Thread xaos
A valid point has been brought up. What does a Time-Nut do with his equipment when he dies. Actually, I am serious here. My little girl, who just turned four, is already an expert with the soldering iron and she can name most components. Actually she is very good with microwave components

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread k6rtm
Message: 4 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:53:37 -0700 From: David Martindale Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity. To: mccor...@ptialaska.net, Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...

[time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity

2010-10-24 Thread Daniel Schultz
But what about the other date on the tombstone? You would need to work out the calibration of the clock in the delivery room on your 0th birthday, and hope that your mother's doctor was also a time nut.. >> One can only hope that the local coroner is also a Time-Nut, so that time >> of death

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Heathkid
pretty quickly. ;) - Original Message - From: "Magnus Danielson" To: Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity. On 10/24/2010 10:50 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Richard H McCorkle wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Chris Stake
ssion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity. > > One of the dangers of the TNI is that it can be caught from the > equipment > of the previous victim. No amount of sterilisation will have any effect. > It is b

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Chuck Harris
COnsidering that for many of us, the TOD will be contingent on how much of our pile of equipment fell on us, and how long it was before the stink reached the street, causing our discovery. I think month, day and year would probably suffice. -Chuck Harris Stan, W1LE wrote: The practicality of T

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Neville Michie
One of the dangers of the TNI is that it can be caught from the equipment of the previous victim. No amount of sterilisation will have any effect. It is bizarre to see how eagerly otherwise healthy individuals will bid for the items that will have such a dire consequence. Over a period of tim

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread William H. Fite
But some nutty folks (c'est moi!) wear mechanical watches (an Omega Seamaster in my case) just for the joy of owning an intricate mechanical device that requires no 'lectricty and has silicon only in the crystal. And the crystal doesn't oscillate. BTW, with what accuracy, do you suppose, were the

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread David Martindale
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Richard H McCorkle wrote: > Time-Nuts, > > New members to the Time-Nuts list may wonder if the Time-Nut disease > has infected them just by joining the list. A clear indication that > someone has been infected with the Time-Nut disease is they own a > reference tha

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Oct 24, 2010, at 3:36 PM, mike cook wrote: > A nut in the final stages of the disorder would request to be buried with > their clocks . The lab would be sealed for eternity. In that case, I'd better rush out and patent tombstones with integrated GPS antennas for entombed GPSDOs. I'll make

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Jean-Louis Oneto
y measurement" Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity. In message <53601812-fc62-4098-9266-55edf50af...@nf6x.net>, "Mark J. Blair" wri tes: Does anybody know how many bits of precision are used on tombstones

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/24/2010 11:57 PM, jimlux wrote: Mark J. Blair wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <53601812-fc62-4098-9266-55edf50af...@nf6x.net>, "Mark J. Blair" wri tes: Does anybody know how many bits of precision are used on tombstones these days? Most tombston

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread mike cook
Le 24/10/2010 22:50, Mark J. Blair a écrit : On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Richard H McCorkle wrote: The disease will continue to progress until ultimately all of the patients personal time and money are exhausted or they die. A nut in the final stages of the disorder would request to be bur

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Stan, W1LE
The practicality of TOD depends on who does the proclamation and where the event occurs. If no other folks are in attendance at a home setting, actual TOD may be +/- 1 week With a attending physician present, TOD will probably be the next day, so the facility can bill for an additional day. In

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread J. Forster
If your TOD is to be measured with sub-nanosecond accuracy, where do you measure from? The TOD of your head? Heart? Fingertips? Feet? -John = > Mark J. Blair wrote: >> On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >>> In message <53601812-fc62-4098-9266-55edf50af...@nf6x.

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread jimlux
Mark J. Blair wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <53601812-fc62-4098-9266-55edf50af...@nf6x.net>, "Mark J. Blair" wri tes: Does anybody know how many bits of precision are used on tombstones these days? Most tombstones are engraved with CNC machines and w

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Robert Atkinson
agnus Danielson Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity. To: time-nuts@febo.com Date: Sunday, 24 October, 2010, 22:03 On 10/24/2010 10:50 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Richard H McCorkle wrote: >> The disease will continue

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Oct 24, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > The real mourning of the deceased from fellow time-nuts comes when they > realize just how much of precious gear has been lost forever. Of course, we would like to know precisely when the precious gear was lost. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X We

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/24/2010 10:50 PM, Mark J. Blair wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Richard H McCorkle wrote: The disease will continue to progress until ultimately all of the patients personal time and money are exhausted or they die. One can only hope that the local coroner is also a Time-Nut, so tha

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <53601812-fc62-4098-9266-55edf50af...@nf6x.net>, "Mark J. Blair" > wri > tes: > >> Does anybody know how many bits of precision are used >> on tombstones these days? > > Most tombstones are engraved with CNC machines and while

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <53601812-fc62-4098-9266-55edf50af...@nf6x.net>, "Mark J. Blair" wri tes: >Does anybody know how many bits of precision are used >on tombstones these days? Most tombstones are engraved with CNC machines and while I have yet to see a company advertise it as a competitive parameter, your

Re: [time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Mark J. Blair
On Oct 24, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Richard H McCorkle wrote: > The disease will continue to progress until > ultimately all of the patients personal time and money are > exhausted or they die. One can only hope that the local coroner is also a Time-Nut, so that time of death can be determined with s

[time-nuts] Determining Time-Nut infection severity.

2010-10-24 Thread Richard H McCorkle
Time-Nuts, New members to the Time-Nuts list may wonder if the Time-Nut disease has infected them just by joining the list. A clear indication that someone has been infected with the Time-Nut disease is they own a reference that provides accurate time to better than 1us and frequency to better tha