Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-25 Thread Dave M
I found the parameters for the X72's 1PPS input. The range of Tau is 5 - 10,000 seconds, or about 2 hrs, 45 min. at the longest setting. It defaults to 400 seconds. However, mine doesn't have the firmware to enable the 1PPS input, so it really doesn't matter. Out of curiosity, does anyone

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-25 Thread Dave M
Charles Steinmetz wrote: Dave wrote: does anyone know of any Rb units that can be programmed to a 24 hr (or longer) Tau, either by EFC or 1PPS input? The SRS PRS10 has a very versatile PPS input that can discipline its frequency with a truly comprehensive array of adjustments (to the point

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-25 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Dave wrote: does anyone know of any Rb units that can be programmed to a 24 hr (or longer) Tau, either by EFC or 1PPS input? The SRS PRS10 has a very versatile PPS input that can discipline its frequency with a truly comprehensive array of adjustments (to the point of potential bafflement).

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The only Rb’s I know of that go out to the 24 to 72 hour tau’s are full blown GPSDO Rb’s. Bob On Aug 25, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: I found the parameters for the X72's 1PPS input. The range of Tau is 5 - 10,000 seconds, or about 2 hrs, 45 min. at the

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread EWKehren
Charles I agree with every thing you wrote and I am implementing many of your recommendations. Forty years ago I bought a 15 foot Alu channel to make small frequency counter housings, always small, and at the time I did have access to a machine shop so I made end plates. Still have five

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread Dave M
Hi Dave, On 8/23/2014 3:51 PM, Dave M wrote: Thanks for that suggestion, Ed. After a bit of reading in the X72 Reference Guide, it appears that the X72 does have a 1PPS input. That would be considerably easier than trying to interface the Rb into the GPSDO. Still trying to understand what

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread EWKehren
Charles I use double bobble pack inside the Alu channel and I always start out by monitoring the OCXO and make sure it is at least 10 C below the spec range. The tbolt is center located and I use a combination of rubber mounts but suspended that they sell for hard drives and squares of

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bert wrote: As I said before am waiting for the small spheres and will see what happens. Monitor carefully, as I suspect the spheres will pack too tightly leaving too little airspace. You could easily burn down an OCXO if this proves to be the case and the oven control loop goes unstable.

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Keep in mind that the OCXO is likely (if it’s a modern part) optimized for TC at it’s normal thermal gain. The gain and set point are adjusted for a flat curve. If you bump either the gain or the set point you rotate the curve. Bob On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:36 PM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Keep in mind that watching the OCXO in a fixed ambient may not tell the whole story. Setting a PLL to 10,000 seconds on an OCXO and then ramping the temperature 40 or 80C is likely to create issues….. It’s very easy to fall into the “I only have a room that swings 0.2C” loop when looking

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Charles, I agree with your statement regarding the determination of the optimum time constant, but, as Bob Camp mentioned, temperature change has a significant impact on setting the value. My 'lab' is a non-airconditioned bedroom. My Tbolt doesn't have any active temperature control.

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Ed wrote: I don't think you're correct about the Miller GPSDO containing a Shera controller. Is there more than one Miller GPSDO? I was referring to this one, by James Miller G3RUH, which uses a Shera controller and 10811 OCXO: http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/freqstd/frqstd.htm

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Ed Palmer
Now that I see it again, I think I knew about Miller's Shera version, but I purged it from my brain in horror and disgust. He bought a Z3801A, threw away the controller and added a Shera board. The Shera board is good, but . Ed On 8/23/2014 1:40 PM, Charles Steinmetz wrote: Ed wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-23 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Ed wrote: I agree with your statement regarding the determination of the optimum time constant, but, as Bob Camp mentioned, temperature change has a significant impact on setting the value. My 'lab' is a non-airconditioned bedroom. My Tbolt doesn't have any active temperature control. If

[time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-22 Thread Dave M
Does anyone have any info on the OXCO in the Nortel/Trimble NTBW50AA-17 GPSTM receiver? The OXCO is labeled as Trimble 34310-T. I see some Trimble 34310-T oscillators on Ebay with pinouts labeled, but no other info. Specifically, I'd like to know the EFC characteristics for it. I'm thinking

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-22 Thread Bob Stewart
From: Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net To: FEBO Time Nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 1:39 PM Subject: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO Does anyone have any info on the OXCO in the Nortel/Trimble NTBW50AA-17 GPSTM receiver?  The OXCO

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi All of the OCXO’s in the GPSDO’s pull 100’s (or more) times the pull of a Rb. The firmware that they have on that board for the OCXO is going to need some serious tweaks to get it to work properly with an Rb. The GPSTM is not as tweak friendly (no filter changes allowed) as some of the

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-22 Thread Ed Palmer
Have you checked your X72 to see if it has the 1 PPS discipline option? That would be a lot easier (and probably better) than your proposed transplant. Ed On 8/22/2014 12:39 PM, Dave M wrote: Does anyone have any info on the OXCO in the Nortel/Trimble NTBW50AA-17 GPSTM receiver? The OXCO

Re: [time-nuts] EFC info on Trimble 34310-T OXCO

2014-08-22 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bob wrote: The GPSTM is not as tweak friendly (no filter changes allowed) as some of the other GPSDO's. And that is a major problem. The correct filter settings for a Rb local oscillator are very different from the settings for an OCXO, which in turn are different from the correct settings