Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul, On 13/02/11 04:27, paul swed wrote: Well pretty good news The lamp voltage went from 1.83 volts a dead bulb to* 8.9 volts a new bulb*. By adjusting the oscillator I can get to 9.6 volts but I know the the oscillator will not start correctly at 82 Mhz its happy at 92 Mhz. This is good

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread paul swed
Magnus it indeed does look very good. I have re-assembled the various boards and the system locked up as normal after the warm up period. I do indeed have a failure in the lamp control startup crkt. So I pulled the fet gate Q2 to ground through a 1 K ohm resistor setting the lamp to 24 volts.

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear Paul, On 13/02/11 18:50, paul swed wrote: Magnus it indeed does look very good. I have re-assembled the various boards and the system locked up as normal after the warm up period. I do indeed have a failure in the lamp control startup crkt. My RS does not have a startup circuit, so I

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread paul swed
Startup circuit looks like a bad op amp used as a comparator. U1 section a. This is a LM 158. I have a LM 148 on hand suspect they are different in temperature quality. So will look it up and see. This is a common op amp so if the 148 does not work for some reason any numbers of more modern ones

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread Bruce Griffiths
paul swed wrote: Startup circuit looks like a bad op amp used as a comparator. U1 section a. This is a LM 158. I have a LM 148 on hand suspect they are different in temperature quality. So will look it up and see. This is a common op amp so if the 148 does not work for some reason any numbers of

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread paul swed
Who would have thought a seriously leaky cap c7 on the input of U1a pin 3. Roughly 10K ohm. System is running at 1.6 x10^11. See if it hangs in there. Lamp is actually going higher in voltage at 8.2 V. All in all a good experiment. Regards Paul. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:46 PM, paul swed

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread paul swed
Thanks Bruce turned out to be C7 leaky. I actually used a LM358 dip with wires kind of a ugly bug. Then realzed that really was not the issue. It was c7. I do not have any lm158s can or dip. Pretty sure they would be hard to come by these days also. Something to look for at hamfests this year.

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread Hal Murray
I do not have any lm158s can or dip. Pretty sure they would be hard to come by these days also. Digikey has stock on everything but the ceramic DIP. They do have it in TO-99/TO-5. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread J.D. Bakker
At 17:50 -0500 13-02-2011, paul swed wrote: I do not have any lm158s can or dip. Pretty sure they would be hard to come by these days also. Should you need one, they are in stock @ Digi-Key, Newark/Farnell and several other distributors. JDB. [courtesy of http://findchips.com/ ] -- If you

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-13 Thread shalimr9
-boun...@febo.com Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:50:18 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurementtime-nuts@febo.com Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment Thanks Bruce turned out to be C7

[time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-12 Thread paul swed
Hello to the group Finally received the heat gun this week and attempted to recover a FRS c Rb lamp. In the bad lamp you can actually see a small silver blob and on closer inspection the center of the bulb front has a small circle of something. When heated by the normal oven at 177 degrees F the

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear Paul, On 12/02/11 21:34, paul swed wrote: Hello to the group Finally received the heat gun this week and attempted to recover a FRS c Rb lamp. In the bad lamp you can actually see a small silver blob and on closer inspection the center of the bulb front has a small circle of something.

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-12 Thread paul swed
Well indeed Magnus the black stuff and silver blob were rb. 300 degrees F for 15 minutes made it all go away. I was using a j thermocouple to measure the temp and right at the bulb. The trick seems to be for a FRS c to get the blob to the lowest point of the capsule thats observable. I did this

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Dear Paul, On 13/02/11 00:02, paul swed wrote: Well indeed Magnus the black stuff and silver blob were rb. 300 degrees F for 15 minutes made it all go away. I was using a j thermocouple to measure the temp and right at the bulb. The trick seems to be for a FRS c to get the blob to the lowest

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-12 Thread paul swed
Well pretty good news The lamp voltage went from 1.83 volts a dead bulb to* 8.9 volts a new bulb*. By adjusting the oscillator I can get to 9.6 volts but I know the the oscillator will not start correctly at 82 Mhz its happy at 92 Mhz. Its not locking but that can be due to several issues. At

Re: [time-nuts] FRSc RB lamp experiment

2011-02-12 Thread paul swed
By the way I can disconnect pin 1 on the lamp assembly because I made a 5 jumper assembly so that the area can be easily worked on. On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:27 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Well pretty good news The lamp voltage went from 1.83 volts a dead bulb to* 8.9 volts a new