Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-04 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Don Collie wrote: > Can`t it be done with just 3 resistors? > Cheers,.Don C. > > No, you still need a stable negative voltage source. In any case the collective decision appears to

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-04 Thread Don Collie
;Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277? > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> In a message dated 11/2/2007 17:51:33 Pacific Daylight Time, >> [E

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bruce: The SC 10 can be configured with it's EFC voltage range the same as about any possible oscillator. The PCB just has optional parts to allow that. http://www.thinksrs.com/products/SC10.htm --- from the above web page Tuning Mech. tuning range >±3 Hz EFC range and slope

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread Rex
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Bruce Griffiths wrote: > I have datasheets (or equivalent thereof) for > HP 10543 > HP10544A > HP10544B/C > HP10811A/B > HP E1938A > OSA 8600 > OSA 8607 > SRS SC 10 > FTS1200 > Symmetricom 1000B > > I will setup a spreadsheet fo

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (Using an input voltage lower than your own supply rail seems odd.) > Not really, for example dc grounding the varicap cathode means that one doesn't need to include a low noise, low drift referen

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yeah, it gets a bit heated. Since you have the data sheets and all, > could you spare us a bit of work and summarize, for each OCXO: > - What EFC and power voltages it needs. > (Using an input volta

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277? -- Very Long Reply

2007-11-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY xaos wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Needless to say, but I have also been following this discussion closely. > > First, I must confess, I started this project without making clear > what my requirements were. > > Personally, I kne

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread John Miles
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In the US, I'm not sure it's always legal for you to void the overall warranty on an item due to unrelated changes made by the customer. Could be a good idea to check with an attorney before enforcing those terms. -- john, KE5

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 11/3/2007 12:07:18 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Maybe you should consider "fair reconfigurations" in a defined list as >tolerated without voiding the warranty. >I.e. you define a l

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread Magnus Danielson
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277? Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:47:38 EDT Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Said, > that's a good point. The Fury can be turn

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277? -- Very Long Reply

2007-11-03 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 11/3/2007 06:16:00 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >3. Said said, that a thermistor should be placed between the Fury OCXO >VCC and ground. Since I will be > breaking out these sign

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 11/3/2007 02:19:49 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Said >Another consideration is that for 10544A's and similar oscillators which >are only intended to drive high impedance loads( >=

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread kevin-usenet
Yeah, it gets a bit heated. Since you have the data sheets and all, could you spare us a bit of work and summarize, for each OCXO: - What EFC and power voltages it needs. (Using an input voltage lower than your own supply rail seems odd.) - What EFC voltage stability (uV per day or whatever) is

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277? -- Very Long Reply

2007-11-03 Thread xaos
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Hello everyone, Needless to say, but I have also been following this discussion closely. First, I must confess, I started this project without making clear what my requirements were. Personally, I knew what I wanted. However,

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 11/2/2007 17:51:33 Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >>> H'm... and if you really want the full +/-10V range, fitting a regulator >>> and op-amp into

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-03 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Bruce Griffiths wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 11/2/2007 17:51:33 Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> >> H'm... and if you really want the full +/-10V rang

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-02 Thread SAIDJACK
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY In a message dated 11/2/2007 17:51:33 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> H'm... and if you really want the full +/-10V range, fitting a regulator >> and op-amp into the 2V of available headroom requires a

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-02 Thread kevin-usenet
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > Even better use a device with built in trimmed resistors. But they usually only come in decade gains. 1:2 and 1:4 limit you to only a few devices which may not be suitable on other specs. > Try actually reading the OCXO dat

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY John Miles wrote: >>> The Achilles' heel of this technique is the statistical temperature >>> fluctuations experienced by individual resistors. >>> ... >>> > > Seems debatable whether it's worth worrying about details lik

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-02 Thread John Miles
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY > > The Achilles' heel of this technique is the statistical temperature > > fluctuations experienced by individual resistors. > > ... Seems debatable whether it's worth worrying about details like this when the EFC signal is ju

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Bruce Griffiths wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One trick I use to get better tracking is to build ratios out of multiples of a single resistor value. >> >> >> >>> Can you gu

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-02 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Bruce Griffiths wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > One trick I use to get better tracking is to build ratios out of multiples of a single resistor value. >> >> >> >>> Can you gu

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-02 Thread kevin-usenet
>> One trick I use to get better tracking is to build ratios out of multiples >> of a single resistor value. > Can you guarantee this works every time? Define "guarantee". For a reasonable risk ratio, yes. Resistor manufacturers don't go out of their way to package resistors from different ba

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
A schematic illustrating how one can translate a 0-5v EFC signal to a -5V to +5V swing for an HP10811A is attached. For clarity the supply bypass caps have been omitted as have the EFC low pass filter components. No precision resistors are required they are all provided on chip. The AD586 is dep

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY David Forbes wrote: > At 9:09 PM -0600 11/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> It is funny how things you forgot a long time ago have a way of coming back. >> >> Case in point. I was just running some simulations on the EFC >>

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY David Forbes wrote: > At 9:09 PM -0600 11/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> It is funny how things you forgot a long time ago have a way of coming back. >> >> Case in point. I was just running some simulations on the EFC >>

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-01 Thread David Forbes
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY At 9:09 PM -0600 11/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >It is funny how things you forgot a long time ago have a way of coming back. > >Case in point. I was just running some simulations on the EFC >interface and then I had this ide

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-01 Thread xaos
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY It is funny how things you forgot a long time ago have a way of coming back. Case in point. I was just running some simulations on the EFC interface and then I had this idea. Wouldn't an instrumentation amplifier be the righ

Re: [time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-01 Thread Bruce Griffiths
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Vos is 1 uV/C guaranteed, 0.15 V/C typical. (And you can get a > high-spec part with the latter guaranteed.) Can take 24 V supply, > and pull to within 1.5V of the rails over the full temperature ran

[time-nuts] Fury Interface Board: How about TI OPA277?

2007-11-01 Thread kevin-usenet
); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RETRY Vos is 1 uV/C guaranteed, 0.15 V/C typical. (And you can get a high-spec part with the latter guaranteed.) Can take 24 V supply, and pull to within 1.5V of the rails over the full temperature range, so can produce +/-10V. Als