Re: [time-nuts] GPS through windows

2012-06-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/4/12 10:24 PM, Hal Murray wrote: Does window glass have significant attenuation at GPS L1? What if it's a big window on a modern green office building and has some sort of coating/content to reduce IR transmission? Google found an (expensive) paper from IEEE where the abstract said:

Re: [time-nuts] GPS through windows

2012-06-05 Thread lists
The low-E coatings are known to attenuate WIFI. WIFI is probably a worse case than GPS, but the availability of the gear makes experimenting easy. I think they are sputtered metal either on the glass or on a thin film applied to the glass. Southwall Technology in Palo Alto pioneered or at least

Re: [time-nuts] GPS through windows

2012-06-05 Thread Chris Albertson
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:26 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: The low-E coatings are known to attenuate WIFI. WIFI is probably a worse case than GPS, but the availability of the gear makes experimenting easy. I think they are sputtered metal either on the glass or on a thin film applied to the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS through windows

2012-06-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/5/12 9:14 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:26 PM,li...@lazygranch.com wrote: The low-E coatings are known to attenuate WIFI. WIFI is probably a worse case than GPS, but the availability of the gear makes experimenting easy. I think they are sputtered metal either on

[time-nuts] GPS through windows

2012-06-05 Thread Mark Sims
You can buy windows (or coverings) designed to block RF. The most common version blocks cell freqs/wifi/etc. Generally used with a matching wall covering to keep your secret sauce from getting out. While you're at it, add the window vibrator to give the laser microphones an earful.

[time-nuts] GPS through windows

2012-06-04 Thread Hal Murray
Does window glass have significant attenuation at GPS L1? What if it's a big window on a modern green office building and has some sort of coating/content to reduce IR transmission? Google found an (expensive) paper from IEEE where the abstract said: At average, about 30 dB attenuation is

Re: [time-nuts] GPS through windows

2012-06-04 Thread Chris Albertson
Part of the problem of using a window would remain even if the glass where removed. This is the antenna can not see the entire sky from a window. You can do ok if the window faces South (assume you are in the Northern Hemisphere) With a good timing GPS receiver you only need to see a very small