Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you go back into the papers from the early 1980's there is one where they used a high gain antenna and no knowledge of the coding scheme to pull timing off of GPS. I believe it was at White Sands, but that could be wrong. Bob On Mar 29, 2013, at 11:42 PM, Stewart Cobb

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/30/13 5:31 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you go back into the papers from the early 1980's there is one where they used a high gain antenna and no knowledge of the coding scheme to pull timing off of GPS. I believe it was at White Sands, but that could be wrong. One can just run it into

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-30 Thread Bob Camp
Hi A, but they did recover the code in addition to the carrier frequency. Given enough gain (and thus directivity) they were able to capture the full transmission from a single bird. They could not pull the almanac data off of it, but the sat's orbital parameters are relatively easy to

[time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
FYI: Yet another use for GPS timing signals is proposed: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/a-marshall-mcluhan-approach-to-weather-forecasting/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread David J Taylor
FYI: Yet another use for GPS timing signals is proposed: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/a-marshall-mcluhan-approach-to-weather-forecasting/ == It's already been done! GPS occultation sensors have been fitted to Metop-A and Metop-B satellites, which

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Albertson
This would work. I know it has been tested in space already using a tiny cube-sat but for foreasting you's need a lot of these. That is not to bad because they are cheap and you could mass produce them. The real problem is the very short live of a low orbit satellite. You need t keep the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/29/13 9:09 AM, David J Taylor wrote: FYI: Yet another use for GPS timing signals is proposed: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/a-marshall-mcluhan-approach-to-weather-forecasting/ == It's already been done! GPS occultation sensors have been fitted

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Albertson
COSMIC and (coming soon) COSMIC-2 also do GPS occultation. Yes, but COSMIC is not a constellation of 12 satellites and it is not as cheap either. These guys want to put up 12 satellites at a total cost of only $160M -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Stewart Cobb
I wonder if you cannot do this same work from the ground. Has anyone tried tracking single GPS satellites from the ground using very high gain tracking antenna. Many times. USAF does this each time they launch a new GPS satellite, to check out all the kit in a high-res view before they switch

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/29/13 2:36 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: COSMIC and (coming soon) COSMIC-2 also do GPS occultation. Yes, but COSMIC is not a constellation of 12 satellites and it is not as cheap either. These guys want to put up 12 satellites at a total cost of only $160M COSMIC-2 is a constellation of

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5155f30c.4080...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: COSMIC and (coming soon) COSMIC-2 also do GPS occultation. GPS occultation as meteologic model input was first tested and validated on the Danish Ørsted satellite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98rsted_%28satellite%29 gps

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 5156611d.6090...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: occultation is pretty heavily used now.. When you talk about weather forecasting, they talk about what percentage of the variance is reduced by adding source X, and I seem to recall that for GPS RO it's something like 10-15%.. around