Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2016-05-16 Thread David
I will try to avoid too much repetition of what has already been posted. Some other ways I have handled ground loops: 1. Capacitive or inductive coupling - this may include AC coupling in *both* the center conductor and shield of a coaxial cable. 2. High isolation power supplies - these may use

Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
the instructions there. -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 16:15:00 +0200 From: Volker Esperail...@t-online.de To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements? Message-ID:519a2fe4.8090...@t

[time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, A couple of weeks ago, there was a short discussion on bad connectors and cables and the coupled in noise of those. Summarized it said that measurements in the time-nuts scale are very sensitive to even the lowest noise levels and coupled in signals. But, all the measurements we do are

Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread Volker Esper
Moin Attila, yes ground loops can cause serious measurement problems. And solving those could fill a hole book. Here's what I do in practical: 1.) avoid the loop 2.) if you can't, try harder to avoid it - depending on the problem: break up the dc loop by using capacitors (most often you only

[time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread johncroos
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Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread Tom Knox
14:08:03 +0200 From: att...@kinali.ch To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements? Moin, A couple of weeks ago, there was a short discussion on bad connectors and cables and the coupled in noise of those. Summarized it said that measurements in the time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread Bob Camp
: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements? Moin, A couple of weeks ago, there was a short discussion on bad connectors and cables and the coupled in noise of those. Summarized it said that measurements in the time-nuts scale are very sensitive to even the lowest noise levels and coupled in signals

Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread Alan Melia
Camp li...@rtty.us To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements? Hi Coax is interesting stuff. The shielding is only good down to some lower frequency limit. For anything

Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread engineering
A couple of good references regarding noise minimization in electronic systems are: Grounding and Shielding: Circuits and Interference by Ralph Morrison Noise Reduction Techniques in Electronic Systems by Henry W. Ott And the old fallback has been MIL-HDB-419 volumes I and II which mostly

Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements?

2013-05-20 Thread Bob Camp
, 2013 2:50 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Ground loops in measurements? Hi Bob whats the problem at low freqs ?? I thought leakage was a function of the size of the holesv the wavelengthor are we into braid skin effect below 100kHz?? so