Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-14 Thread paul swed
It could be 10 watts or as I suggest 100 or more. Depends on the range you want to cover and what you can afford. Thats why the AM broadcast stations are attractive, the infrastructure and power consumptions being taken care of in the normal course of the business. Granted the CS ref and its power

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 13/10/11 02:42, Dan Mills wrote: On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 02:11 +0200, Magnus Danielson wrote: I have wondered if not amateurs could set up small frequency broadcasts of their own. Say a 10 W transmitter or something. It's called a beacon and at least the UK license does allow them (25W maxim

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-13 Thread Alan Melia
amateurs. Alan G3NYK - Original Message - From: "Dan Mills" To: Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown > On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 02:11 +0200, Magnus Danielson wrote: > > > I have wondered if not amate

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread paul swed
Well its a funny thing actually. Looking at an amateur effort its not all that hard at 1.6-7.0 Mhz to generate reasonable power of say 100-500 watts. Certainly its not hard to create an exciter at those frequencies that are derived from a quality reference. Heck many time nuts have CS references et

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/12/11 5:42 PM, Dan Mills wrote: On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 02:11 +0200, Magnus Danielson wrote: I have wondered if not amateurs could set up small frequency broadcasts of their own. Say a 10 W transmitter or something. It's called a beacon and at least the UK license does allow them (25W max

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread Dan Mills
On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 02:11 +0200, Magnus Danielson wrote: > I have wondered if not amateurs could set up small frequency broadcasts > of their own. Say a 10 W transmitter or something. It's called a beacon and at least the UK license does allow them (25W maximum) and there are a great many out

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 13/10/11 00:16, J. Forster wrote: Every time I hear of another time/frequency service being shut down by shortsighted governments, putting more and more eggs into fewer and fewer baskets. I wonder how long it will be before the only remaining basket of will suffer a catastrophic fall. :( I

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread J. Forster
There are places, like a lot thick with 100' pine trees, that satellites are pretty much unusable. A tower is out of the question due to zoning. Best, -John = > Well I miss loran c and certainly will miss the LF stations though they > are > cranky to get good readings from. > Ho

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
Great idea, to receive the last cycles of the HBG... I'll try to do this. I have an old Wandel&Goltermann SPM3 selective level meter to test the signal level here. On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:16 AM, J. Forster wrote: > Every time I hear of another time/frequency service being shut down by > short

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread paul swed
Well I miss loran c and certainly will miss the LF stations though they are cranky to get good readings from. However the reality is that numbers of governments are sending up satellites so there are alternate timing platforms. It was one thing when only GPS existed. And from this group every ones

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread J. Forster
Every time I hear of another time/frequency service being shut down by shortsighted governments, putting more and more eggs into fewer and fewer baskets. I wonder how long it will be before the only remaining basket of will suffer a catastrophic fall. :( -John > On 12/10/11

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 12/10/11 17:33, Azelio Boriani wrote: Yes, they (the Swiss federal authorities) say it costs too much. Considering that GPS receivers are plentiful and provides similar or better performance it comes as no surprice. Maybe th RF oriented nuts shall capture the last cycles out of these tra

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
Yes, they (the Swiss federal authorities) say it costs too much. On 10/12/11, paul swed wrote: > Wow some old standards are going away. I have copied those in the US in the > past. > Looks like all of the LF stuff is going away. > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Azelio Boriani > wrote: > >> I'

Re: [time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread paul swed
Wow some old standards are going away. I have copied those in the US in the past. Looks like all of the LF stuff is going away. On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: > I'm reading today the press release but on the 26th of August the > METAS (the Swiss federal office of metrology

[time-nuts] HBG swiss time transmitter shutdown

2011-10-12 Thread Azelio Boriani
I'm reading today the press release but on the 26th of August the METAS (the Swiss federal office of metrology) decided to shutdown the HBG time transmitter (located in Switzerland) by the end of the 2011. Here in Europe the main reference for the radiocontrolled clocks is the DFC77 station in Germ