Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you are running inside a facility with backup power, the couple of seconds between lights out and generators on is something that does need to be handled. If the frequency standard cruises through the event, it’s probably ok for the rest of the gear here and there to restart. Waiting for

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-21 Thread Dan Rae
On 11/21/2015 6:13 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The key issue is that there has been a lot learned about charging batteries since the 5065A was designed. Just as other parts of the 5065 can be improved with some work, so can the battery charger. Given that NiCad’s aren’t cheap, it’s worth noting that

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <77d0b0cc-a230-47d8-af0b-772aec876...@n1k.org>, Bob Camp writes: >The key issue is that there has been a lot learned about charging batteries >since the 5065A was designed. While that is true, NiCd is almost the most robust battery chemistry out there, so even with the rather

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The 5065A has a nice connector on the back for an external DC supply Rather than doing anything inside the box, I’d do a battery pack outside the unit. If you have multiple devices you want to run on battery - do they also have DC inputs? If not can a DC input be added with minimal damage t

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The key issue is that there has been a lot learned about charging batteries since the 5065A was designed. Just as other parts of the 5065 can be improved with some work, so can the battery charger. Given that NiCad’s aren’t cheap, it’s worth noting that the circuit could be worked on *before* s

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <5650469b.1040...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: >Lacking the charging controller in mine, what would be a good approach >to go about and build one? A Mascot lead-acid charger and two VRLAs :-) >Need to replace the battery setup in my XSRM setup too, the pack

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Lacking the charging controller in mine, what would be a good approach to go about and build one? Need to replace the battery setup in my XSRM setup too, the packs I installed is now dead. Tempted to think in terms of LiFePO. Cheers, Magnus On 11/21/2015 03:45 AM, Dan Rae wrote: On 1

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-20 Thread Dan Rae
On 11/20/2015 4:54 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I don’t in any way doubt your count. If indeed they are putting 21 cells into that circuit, the NiCads likely don’t last as long as they might with a different charging circuit …. Bob Bob, I was answering Corby's query; mine had an original -hp- batt

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-20 Thread J. L. Trantham
ld like. Thanks. Joe -Original Message- From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 6:54 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack Hi I don’t in any way doubt your co

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I don’t in any way doubt your count. If indeed they are putting 21 cells into that circuit, the NiCads likely don’t last as long as they might with a different charging circuit …. Bob > On Nov 20, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Dan Rae wrote: > > On 11/20/2015 10:52 AM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: >> Any

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-20 Thread Dan Rae
On 11/20/2015 10:52 AM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: Any one know how many cells went into the HP 5065A battery packs? 21 Corby, in three rows of seven, from my notes when I re-celled mine. Dan ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscri

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-20 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Corby: You could guess if you know the nominal pack voltage (divide that by 1.2 Volts/cell) or if you know the interior dimensions I might be able to see what fits. Mail_Attachment -- Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Well, the charger brings the stack up to about 33V (34.8V CR7 minus 1.4V in Q5 and Q4). Since they are NiCad’s that sort of limits the choices in stack size. Best bet (and a nice round sounding number) is 24 cells. That would 1.375V per cell which is just below the “standard” 1.41 V float vo

[time-nuts] HP 5065A battery pack

2015-11-20 Thread cdelect
Any one know how many cells went into the HP 5065A battery packs? Thanks, Corby ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] -hp- 5065A battery pack

2012-12-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi I have no problem with restoring gear to it's original state. I mostly was wondering just how much time the considered "enough" back when the 5365 was made. There's been a bit of drift in things like that over the years. Sounds like in this case, not as much as in other areas. Bob On Dec 4

Re: [time-nuts] -hp- 5065A battery pack

2012-12-04 Thread paul swed
But thats not HP. :-) I would agree that a external ups would be about the same price and for some of them you can slightly increase the battery size. There are a lot of surplus ones out there for a very few dollars. Shippings normally the bigger cost these days. Regards Paul. On Tue, Dec 4, 2012

Re: [time-nuts] -hp- 5065A battery pack

2012-12-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi So roughly what a simple UPS would give you. Bob On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Dan Rae wrote: > On 12/4/2012 3:51 PM, Bob Camp wrote: >> Hi >> >> How much backup time does that battery pack give you? >> >> Bob >> >> > Bob, it's at least what they claim in the manual for that Option, somet

Re: [time-nuts] -hp- 5065A battery pack

2012-12-04 Thread Dan Rae
On 12/4/2012 3:51 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi How much backup time does that battery pack give you? Bob Bob, it's at least what they claim in the manual for that Option, something like fifteen minutes from what I remember. Dan ___ time-nuts mailing l

Re: [time-nuts] -hp- 5065A battery pack

2012-12-04 Thread Bob Camp
Hi How much backup time does that battery pack give you? Bob On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Dan Rae wrote: > I've just finished fitting new cells into my 5065A battery pack. A bit of a > struggle since it is quite a tight fit to re-use the original plastic > container. For information, the on

[time-nuts] -hp- 5065A battery pack

2012-12-04 Thread Dan Rae
I've just finished fitting new cells into my 5065A battery pack. A bit of a struggle since it is quite a tight fit to re-use the original plastic container. For information, the only cells I could find that just about fit, and even then one has to remove the plastic covering from them, were t