Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-20 Thread bg
On Thu, April 20, 2006 7:25, Poul-Henning Kamp said: And also, something else i don't understand: Why do the newer GPS satellites rely on Rb standards rather than Cs standards? They last longer. And they are less noisy and more stable, up to a day or so. -- Björn

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-20 Thread Hal Murray
[Clocks in GPS satellites] I said drift-free Rubidium :-) They last longer. I've seen comments about Rubidium having better short term stability than Cesium. What's short in that context? How often do the ground stations talk to the satellites? Is it reasonable to correct for the drift?

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-20 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hal Murr ay writes: Is it reasonable to correct for the drift? If the drift is slow enough the communication channel is already in place. It shouldn't be too much work for the ground stations to track the frequency as well as position. They have very complex

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency (was RE:time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22)

2006-04-20 Thread Robert Lutwak
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Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-20 Thread Bill Hawkins
and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency (was RE:time-nuts Digest, Vol 21, Issue 22) On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:31:08 -0700, Christopher Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom, That's a good explanation, thank you. I got that much already. (While it took

[time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-19 Thread Tom Clark, K3IO (ex W3IWI)
Christopher Hoover asked: one issue remains: i have to crank the magnetic field setting almost to its high limit (9.91/10.00) to get 5 MHz out; lower settings give a frequency that is too low. i presume this is unusual. i have a rudimentary understanding of the rubidium

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-19 Thread Matt Ettus
Since we can now make DDS's with arbitrary frequency resolution, could you make an Rb oscillator without the magnetic field adjustment? Wouldn't that reduce a source of error in frequency? Then we'd be left with the ideal resonance frequency, right? Are there any other influences on the

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matt Ettus writes: Since we can now make DDS's with arbitrary frequency resolution, could you make an Rb oscillator without the magnetic field adjustment? Wouldn't that reduce a source of error in frequency? Then we'd be left with the ideal resonance frequency,

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-19 Thread Magnus Danielson
From: Dave Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:13:08 +1200 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Matt Ettus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of precise time and frequency

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-19 Thread Normand Martel
Hi.. In his message, Paul-Henning Kamp writes that a drift-free standard has not been yet designed... But Isn't Cesium drift-free? Since the SI second is standardized as de duration of 9192631770 oscillation of the hyperfine transition of the atom 133Cs? If Cesium drifts, theren should be a

Re: [time-nuts] How Rubidiums make their frequency

2006-04-19 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Normand Martel writes: Hi.. In his message, Paul-Henning Kamp writes that a drift-free standard has not been yet designed... I said drift-free Rubidium :-) And also, something else i don't understand: Why do the newer GPS satellites rely on Rb standards rather