Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-24 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 09:02:37PM -0500, Bill Dailey wrote: Well..if they didn't properly license the technology... They should be disabled. The problem is the fine print...where FTDI also states they won't support any chip they actually made before 2012...so some of those being

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-24 Thread nuts
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:45:16 + Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Happened to a friend of mine. All his Arduino stuff died. This could be the reason: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/ftdi-driver-kills-fake-ftdi-ft232 Short story: FTDI released a new version of their USB driver

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-24 Thread Bill Dailey
I read somewhere that you can pay FTDI and re-enable the devices but further in the article it said they would be permanently disabled in windows. Confusing. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:47 PM, jim s jwsm...@jwsss.com wrote: Petty BS. If they want to disable the competitors, rev the device to

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Licensing a legit USB ID costs money, both up front and ongoing. Writing drivers that keep up with the OS rev’s costs money. Supporting all this stuff with web sites and on the phone costs money. FTDI supports their products much better than the “other guys” you could buy from. That’s why

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-24 Thread Jim Lux
: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:31 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately... This dispute reminds me of another one. A long long time ago, .gif was the internet standard for encoding photographs. Far

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-24 Thread Chuck Harris
Jim Lux wrote: ... This dispute reminds me of another one. A long long time ago, .gif was the internet standard for encoding photographs. Far and away the favorite. Then the owner (was it AOL?) decided to enforce their patent by getting snotty with end users. Almost overnight, .gif virtually

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-24 Thread Alex Pummer
just look that: http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/FTDI-FT232RL-real-vs-fake-supereal 73 Alex ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-24 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
Thanks, that was the final link I hope someone would post. I have many more links, but this is not the right forum for that. Now, everyone - STOP posting FTDI information to time-nuts. We are a precise time frequency list. If you want to discuss FTDI or Windows driver issues please subscribe

[time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread Mark Sims
Happened to a friend of mine. All his Arduino stuff died. This could be the reason: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/ftdi-driver-kills-fake-ftdi-ft232 Short story: FTDI released a new version of their USB driver (via Windows automatic updates no less) that bricks other vendor's

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread Bill Dailey
Well..if they didn't properly license the technology... They should be disabled. Sent from my iPad On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Happened to a friend of mine. All his Arduino stuff died. This could be the reason:

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread paul swed
Umm I think its profoundly hard to know one way or another what chip you have in a widget. This is pretty insane actually. I buy products that I believe are legit no way to know just as if the cpu in my acer or emachines not legal. Heck I have no idea. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX
The solution is for the infringing manufacturer to write their own driver that tests for one of their chips and then gives the chip a valid legal ID of their own. This is what they should have done in the first place. On 10/23/2014 07:05 PM, paul swed wrote: Umm I think its profoundly hard to

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Berger
Yes it is hard to tell, I believe that is the aim of people in the counterfeiting business, if it was easy to tell they would not get very far. I do however believe that FTDI has the right to protect their intellectual property. I don't believe they are in the business of enabling

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:05 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Umm I think its profoundly hard to know one way or another what chip you have in a widget. Before you buy it yes, you can't know. But it's trivial to find out after you own it. For example click the Apple logo then choose

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
This dispute reminds me of another one. A long long time ago, .gif was the internet standard for encoding photographs. Far and away the favorite. Then the owner (was it AOL?) decided to enforce their patent by getting snotty with end users. Almost overnight, .gif virtually disappeared off the

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread Paul Berger
Unfortunately the issue that FTDI is trying to combat is counterfeiters, and I think you will find that the counterfeit devices will report the same product and vendor id as the genuine ones. The product and vendor ids are how the OS identifies a device and how they decide which device driver

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread jim s
Petty BS. If they want to disable the competitors, rev the device to have something that they can use to id their devices, and leave the other driver alone. USB supposed to put the widest support in the host end, and the secret sauce in the device. If they have a problem, they will not

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread Patrick Tudor
On Oct 23, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Happened to a friend of mine. All his Arduino stuff died. This could be the reason: I’ve been following this matter closely; just yesterday I received a handful of FT232RLs from Mouser. As someone that makes use of

Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately...

2014-10-23 Thread John Allen
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] If any of your USB devices have stopped working lately... This dispute reminds me of another one. A long long time ago, .gif was the internet standard for encoding photographs. Far and away the favorite. Then the owner